Spoilers She-Hulk: Attorney at Law discussion thread

[FPAlpha]

<sarcasm> I guess this is what the MCU deserves for putting women in charge of its female characters. Started with Captain Marvel, continued with Captain Marvel, Wandavision, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel -- and now again with She-Hulk. Those women writers and directors sure need to get a proper perspective on how to portray their characters and stories. </sarcasm>

I've said this before but it is interesting how much men rail against such shows where women are the central character and are being written by women ( something similar for Moon Knight, whose writers/showrunners actually came from Egypt and wanted to portray their country as more than sand and poor people).

I've read this in an article ( written by a female writer) that applauded the show for bringing up what life is like for women in general - near constant sexual harrassment to casual sexism at the workplace mostly perpetrated by men.

Apparently we (men) don't like to be shown the mirror and beaten over the head what it's like to be a woman because we still believe it's nothing to gawk at a woman's chest or catcall her in the streets.

Here it was done in a humorous tone but if you read between the lines it is a serious issue.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I've said this before but it is interesting how much men rail against such shows where women are the central character and are being written by women ( something similar for Moon Knight, whose writers/showrunners actually came from Egypt and wanted to portray their country as more than sand and poor people).

This was a similar rant against The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and the Black Lightning series by white males (like YouTube's Nerdrotic, The Critical Drinker, Overlord DVD, HeelsVsbabyface, Ryan Kinel, et al.) all couching themselves as being part of "open-minded geek culture," yet use all of the time-worn talking points of the extremist Right due to both series not only telling stories about the black experience, but were run / written by black talents. Its for this reason people such as The Critical Drinker recently spat out his promise that he will "never" accept Sam Wilson as Captain America (nevermind what happened in the comics, which this "comic purist" conveniently ignored).

There's no winning with those who sit on their Ivory Throne of Judgement and attack all media that does not fit and only tell their stories. The rest of humanity be damned.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Have you read his "opinions"? He even missed key points of the plot. I'm all in for a dissenting voice, but I want that s/he at least knows of what s/he is taking of.

I'm thinking of producers such as the late Gary Kurtz, who stood his ground with George Lucas on a number of issues (often leading to better results in Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back), and when Lucas and Kurtz could not see eye-to-eye any longer, Kurtz was--depending on who you believe--fired by Lucas, or decided to leave Lucasfilm. Either way, he was an example of a good producer who was not a "yes man".

 

[Skipper]

This is a blatantly misogynistic comment. Sharing gender makes one identical in all ways except hair color.

Repulsive.

You know i was sarcastic, right..?

 

[Skipper]

You can just say 'they'.

"that they at least know of what they are talking of".

Done

 

[The Wormhole]

You know i was sarcastic, right..?

Don't worry. There are those in this thread who do.

 

[YLu]

I've said this before but it is interesting how much men rail against such shows where women are the central character and are being written by women ( something similar for Moon Knight, whose writers/showrunners actually came from Egypt and wanted to portray their country as more than sand and poor people).

I've read this in an article ( written by a female writer) that applauded the show for bringing up what life is like for women in general - near constant sexual harrassment to casual sexism at the workplace mostly perpetrated by men.

Apparently we (men) don't like to be shown the mirror and beaten over the head what it's like to be a woman because we still believe it's nothing to gawk at a woman's chest or catcall her in the streets.

That's a huge part of it, but there's also that they get irate over another character appearing in any better in any aspect -- even if in an incredibly minor, vague way -- than their beloved (male) hero. But they don't want to admit their annoyance boils down to "my dad can *too* beat up your dad!" so they invent all sorts of excuses and justifications about Mary Sues and wokeness or whatever to hang their grievance on.

 

[theenglish]

I've said this before but it is interesting how much men rail against such shows where women are the central character and are being written by women ( something similar for Moon Knight, whose writers/showrunners actually came from Egypt and wanted to portray their country as more than sand and poor people).

I've read this in an article ( written by a female writer) that applauded the show for bringing up what life is like for women in general - near constant sexual harrassment to casual sexism at the workplace mostly perpetrated by men.

Apparently we (men) don't like to be shown the mirror and beaten over the head what it's like to be a woman because we still believe it's nothing to gawk at a woman's chest or catcall her in the streets.

Here it was done in a humorous tone but if you read between the lines it is a serious issue.

I agree completely. There's a huge difference between how women are written and presented by men and by women--and some of us just can't deal with that.

 

[Serveaux]

God, I hope you don't present that crap of a show to your son.

This is over the line.

 

[Serveaux]

Kind of insane today as well. But Brando was a big name.

Yeah, overpaid depends on how you look at it. You're paying for the use of the actor's name and reputation to secure financing - it's just about the definition of the term "bankable."

 

[STEPhon IT]

None of which happened on the show or had anything to do with what I posted. Did you even watch the show or did you watch some YouTube video by some MRA loser? You're overreacting to a goofy superhero show having villains and trying to claim it's an attack on men. It's laughably absurd. Do you not understand that it's going to have bad guys? There is so much to unpack here and it's all absurd jumps to conclusions that are completely disconnected from reality.

I made detailed critiques about the episode, nothing I mentioned is disconnected from reality besides you ignoring what I specifically didn't like about the elements I posted. You liked the episode, I DIDN'T, gravy training your allegory about soulless characters who happened to be males and a string of victimhood propaganda about us is relevant because its a reality to you. You can contrast other projects where this was acceptable but I am focusing on the agenda driven bilge I saw. Which wasn't funny - comedies are supposed to be funny and I wasn't laughing.

 

[Tuskin38]

comedies are supposed to be funny and I wasn't laughing.

Comedy is subjective.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Comedy is subjective.

Agreed. I got 10 minutes into The Suicide Squad, realized I hadn't laughed once, walked away and never looked back. I recognize the beats that I was supposed to find funny, I just didn't find them humorous at all. See also, early Orville season 1.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Agreed. I got 10 minutes into The Suicide Squad, realized I hadn't laughed once, walked away and never looked back. I recognize the beats that I was supposed to find funny, I just didn't find them humorous at all. See also, early Orville season 1.

Same here. It obviously wasn't intended as serious drama. Nothing in it made me laugh, or particularly interested. It was fun for a minute or two watching Jen and Bruce toss each other around, but the training/not training thing as whole became tiresome. I'll give the next episode a chance.

The whole blood drop thing was screwy. They kind of saved it by Bruce explaining he and Jen share unique DNA, but it was just too quick, an obvious attempt to just get it over with.

And an aside, Hulk (2008) does not establish that a drop of blood will turn someone into a Hulk. It jumps through hoops to show it takes a lot more science to end up with the Abomination, all the while having blood Bruce sent them right in their hands.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

You know i was sarcastic, right..?

I did not realize. My mistake entirely. Please accept my apologies.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

And an aside, Hulk (2008) does not establish that a drop of blood will turn someone into a Hulk. It jumps through hoops to show it takes a lot more science to end up with the Abomination, all the while having blood Bruce sent them right in their hands.

Emil didn't share DNA like Bruce's Cousin did.

Done, easy, this isn't real science to begin with so that was all we needed.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I made detailed critiques about the episode, nothing I mentioned is disconnected from reality besides you ignoring what I specifically didn't like about the elements I posted. You liked the episode, I DIDN'T, gravy training your allegory about soulless characters who happened to be males and a string of victimhood propaganda about us is relevant because its a reality to you. You can contrast other projects where this was acceptable but I am focusing on the agenda driven bilge I saw. Which wasn't funny - comedies are supposed to be funny and I wasn't laughing.

The only one pushing an agenda is you.

 

[Neroon]

Everyone needs to back off a bit and take a deep breath.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Same here. It obviously wasn't intended as serious drama. Nothing in it made me laugh, or particularly interested. It was fun for a minute or two watching Jen and Bruce toss each other around, but the training/not training thing as whole became tiresome. I'll give the next episode a chance.

The whole blood drop thing was screwy. They kind of saved it by Bruce explaining he and Jen share unique DNA, but it was just too quick, an obvious attempt to just get it over with.

And an aside, Hulk (2008) does not establish that a drop of blood will turn someone into a Hulk. It jumps through hoops to show it takes a lot more science to end up with the Abomination, all the while having blood Bruce sent them right in their hands.

Incredible Hulk did. The guy who becomes the Leader got hurt and Banner’s blood was dripping on him and causing his head to expand. Then we never heard from him again.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Incredible Hulk did. The guy who becomes the Leader got hurt and Banner’s blood was dripping on him and causing his head to expand. Then we never heard from him again.

Not really sure what that has to do with what I posted, but you are correct.