SG-U – Subversion (1x18) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[David cgc]

^ David post...

and with the Asgard weapons should have destroy the Lucien Alliance with ease...

Why, sure! With our five starships, two of which are out of the galaxy at any one time, will make short work of the Lucien Alliance, what with their dozens, perhaps hundreds of motherships, and their dozens, perhaps hundreds of planets, spread throughout the entire galaxy. And never mind that that doesn't address the root problems that caused the Alliance in the first place, which Telford pointed out in the episode, so some other syndicate would just take over in their place.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Re: SG-U – Subversion (1x18) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

I just don't get why Jackson was super spy.

That didn't bother me as they did that stuff all the time on SG-1. In fact, as I think about it, the SG-1 team did a lot of stuff that they probably had no business doing and should have left to other professionals.

Not Stargate but my favorite was the TNG episode where the best commando infiltration team Starfleet could come up with was Picard, Crusher and Worf. I know the real world reasons behind such things but it's still amusing.

 

[The Grim Ghost]

Great episode. At first, not being a big fan of SG1 I wasn't too happy to see the old characters show up, but they were used well. I ended up being glad they were there.

I hope Telford isn't killed off, he is too good of a villain.

I like the whole "you've been doing this stuff all over the galaxy with no thought to the repurcussions" angle.

I don't know much about this Lucien alliance, but I will say I would have rather seen more of the Blue aliens than these guys..but I guess they were left behind in the other galaxy.

 

[Peter the Younger]

Telford's speech actually made the Alliance more interesting; casting them as something akin to the post-Soviet Russian Mafia (or the Taliban) puts the activities of the SGC in a whole new light.

 

[Snaploud]

The Telford speech was a little crazy. Would the Lucien Alliance really have been happier if Earth had left the Goa'uld in charge? Would they have wanted Anubis to wipe them out (which was going to happen eventually)? I just don't get the animosity. The Lucien Alliance practically has free reign over the galaxy, and it's all because of Earth.

 

[DonnyBaker]

I have a strong feeling that Telford is gonna swap back into his original body just a few seconds before Dr Rush is about to be killed for either sabotaging the Lucian Alliance thingy or something else. I hope this doesnt happen cause like others have said. He is a good evil Somabitch.
I really dont understand the whole playing chicken with Telford in the airlock thing. Everyone knows he aint gonna kill Dr Rush's body...

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I don't think Telford's point was that the Goa'uld should've been left in charge, but rather that the SGC had no business going out into the galaxy, destroying the dominant power structure, then packing up and going back home, leaving everyone else to rot. "Hey, guys! We've liberated you, now have fun!" Someone inevitably steps in to fill the vacuum, and so you've got the Lucian Alliance.

They may be brutal thugs but at least it's humans ruling humans, which seems like a step up from humans being ruled by false gods with belly worms.

I didn't mind the use of SG-1 characters at all. O'Neill was funny. It was cool to see Daniel again despite him not getting a lot to do here.

One thing that wasn't explained at all was why the Alliance wants to get aboard Destiny. For one thing, they have no way back once they're aboard. And for another, it's a rustbucket. Maybe they think Rush is blowing smoke, but I just don't see the profit motive in it for them. Seems like a hell of a lot of work for a questionable reward.

The Telford/Young scenes were good, and it's nice to see Young backing off from jumping to conclusions given what happened with Rush. He seems a bit more thoughtful now, though still willing to take extreme measures when the situation warrants. He's gotta be bluffing about the air, though. He may not mind seeing Telford dead but he and Rush are seemingly on better terms now and I can't imagine he'd really sacrifice Rush.

The baby shower with TJ was actually a good idea. The crew is finally starting to feel like a family, which is a natural place to go on a show with this sort of premise.

I really felt like the show was firing on all cylinders this time around, so I'm going to give it a 10. If they can keep this up for the rest of the season I may be willing to go back and forgive some of the glacial pacing of the first half of the season, given that they were laying the groundwork for all this.

 

[bullethead]

The Telford speech was a little crazy. Would the Lucien Alliance really have been happier if Earth had left the Goa'uld in charge? Would they have wanted Anubis to wipe them out (which was going to happen eventually)? I just don't get the animosity. The Lucien Alliance practically has free reign over the galaxy, and it's all because of Earth.

No, the Alliance wouldn't have preferred the Goa'uld staying around, but their point is that if Earth isn't going to fulfill it's responsibility as protector of less advanced planets, the Alliance will and Earth better STFU about their methods unless they intend to actually do something.

Of course, the Alliance might have had less justification if post-season 7 SG-1 had actually done disclosure and gotten more resources, or if they had simply made a UN type deal between the advanced human societies instead of the Ori crap we got in Season 9 and 10.

 

[Kirby]

Minor nitpick - Why did Rush have to break into Telford's house? If he swapped bodies with him, didn't he have his keys?
Obviously there was no active alarm system or it would have gone off when he kicked the window in. Although I suppose Telford could have put his keys in a locker or something.

Loved the episode though, my favorite of the season.

 

[bullethead]

Minor nitpick - Why did Rush have to break into Telford's house? If he swapped bodies with him, didn't he have his keys?
Obviously there was no active alarm system or it would have gone off when he kicked the window in. Although I suppose Telford could have put his keys in a locker or something

I think they take away the keys of whoever is using the stones on Earth's end so whoever is coming from Destiny can't screw with the household life of whoever they swapped with. However, this doesn't prevent the person on Destiny's end screwing over the other person's life by other means.

 

[Hyperspace05]

I think it is still possible that Telford has been brainwashed... That speech of his doesn't necessarily prove anything. Being brainwashed doesn't make you into a drone.

They did drop a few hints that the brainwashing could have caused the memory leakage.

But I'm good with it going either way.

The Telford/Young scenes were truly excellent, though!

 

[Robert Maxwell]

With as quickly as Telford made his about-face, it sure seemed to me like his brainwashing "kicking in." He wouldn't even have to be aware of it--he might fully believe it was his decision to betray the SGC, when in fact it wasn't.

 

[Yoda]

I just don't get why Jackson was super spy.

That didn't bother me as they did that stuff all the time on SG-1. In fact, as I think about it, the SG-1 team did a lot of stuff that they probably had no business doing and should have left to other professionals.

It's one thing to have your main cast do stuff they're not qualified to do... it's another thing to waste your guest stars on this kind of shit. I mean, come on, they got Daniel Jackson for two eps... on a show about a mysterious Ancient Starship... in one episode he's a figment of Rush's imagination, and in the other... he's taking undercover pictures. Uhh, ok.

Anyway, I gave it a 4. It was better than the last week or two, but then again, I could probably say that about a Jersey Shore marathon.

I've watched every episode of Stargate and I barely remember these Lucian Alliance clowns. The Goa'uld were funny in their over the top MWAHAHAHA EVIL antics... but does it really make any sense for this Lucian Alliance to execute their own top scientist to... I don't even know? Why'd they kill that guy? Was it to show Rush that they were serious? Because it kind of seemed like he'd have already known that. These guys are just shitty uninteresting villains... with the same exact goal as the mildly more interesting CGI dudes. *shrug*

Telford was vaguely interesting, but now that he's with the clowns that's pretty much all evaporated. And Wray is just a waste of space.

 

[Harvey]

I do hope that Telford was brainwashed rather than turned traitor, because his speech about the Lucian Alliance was hogwash. Every single member of the Alliance we've seen has been a thug, plain and simple. There's none of the ambiguity he points to. If the writers truly are interested in that, they have a lot of work to do. Plus, it would nice to have a non-white character around who wasn't either an angry black man (Greer) or a civilian whose chief traits are a combination of uselessness and duplicity (Wray).

I didn't mind Daniel as secret agent. It was nice to see him in the flesh rather than as a hallucination, and this wasn't out of the realm of his activities on SG-1. It made sense that Jack would send someone who he trusted, too.

The Lucian Alliance, though, ugh. We're going to have to endure these people for at least of half season, too? They're cardboard villains that wouldn't be out of place on a lesser episode of Babylon 5.

I am happy that they finally put the stones to good use, though. It was nice to have Jack back, and he injected some welcome humor into the show. Despite the flimsy villains, it was a consistently tense installment, which at least pushed the Rush/Young dynamic into an interesting place, even if it kept Wray and Greer up to their old and annoying tricks.

What the hell does the Alliance want with the Destiny, anyway? It's an ancient rust bucket which our heroes have only tenuous control, and it's a one-way trip.

8 -- the best episode in a while.

 

[Tom]

So are we going to have new characters (Lucian Alliance?) on Destiny in Season 2 if they do dial the ship, could be interesting.

 

[Snaploud]

but does it really make any sense for this Lucian Alliance to execute their own top scientist to... I don't even know? Why'd they kill that guy? Was it to show Rush that they were serious? Because it kind of seemed like he'd have already known that.

That was the most ridiculous part of the episode. They don't know how long the stones will be connecting Rush to Telford. Why would you kill your head scientist when Rush could be whisked away at any time?

 

[Harvey]

Another slight nit--Telford and Young can hear each other even when the airlock between them is closed and one side is venting atmosphere? Does this seem right?

 

[StarshipDefiant]

Another slight nit--Telford and Young can hear each other even when the airlock between them is closed and one side is venting atmosphere? Does this seem right?

The ship doesn't seem to be entirely sound proof, and the atmosphere is being drained slowly enough so that it will take five minutes for it to empty out, so I figure there's enough for sound to carry still. I suppose it is an oddity though, maybe there's a com system connected to the doors or something to allow people to speak through it.

 

[David cgc]

Well, it's not so much that it takes five minutes to empty the room of oxygen as it takes five minutes before he dies from it. And then he would've passed out well before that.

 

[Agent Richard07]

9 chevrons.

It was great seeing a couple of the old gang, and they used them really well here, and the more serious tone of SGU really does work with the SG-1 characters, even Jack. I noticed he was his old self, and had a little humor it, and somehow it just worked really well with the tone of SGU, didn't feel odd or out of place, which shows that they can do it.

Agreed.

I just don't get why Jackson was super spy.

Was odd I'll admit.

Yes, the Lucian Alliance blows, even with Rhona Mitra in charge.

I liked Rhona Mitra in the role. She turned out to be a better villain that I expected. She had the look and the act down pretty well.

Rush is gonna come back to a battered body.

So is Telford...

Yep. This was probably the first time I was concerned about what was being done to other people's bodies during a body swap. The sex/drinking/eating/intimacy/whatever didn't do it. These incidents did.

I've watched every episode of Stargate and I barely remember these Lucian Alliance clowns.

I don't remember them either. Maybe it's because the later seasons of SG-1 were getting too bogged down in politics and that sort of thing doesn't always make for memorable television, especially if it's on a scifi show.

I hope Telford isn't killed off, he is too good of a villain.

I don't want to see him killed off either. I was concerned about that but I'm not too worried right now. I can't see them getting rid of a name actor like Lou Diamond Phillips.