Except that wouldn't have solved anything, since the stargate on the planet would still be too underpowered to dial the ship. They could just strand more people on the planet.
SG-U – Subversion (1x18) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)
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Except that wouldn't have solved anything, since the stargate on the planet would still be too underpowered to dial the ship. They could just strand more people on the planet.
Maybe, but it provides a much more plausible conflict than that silly attempted mutiny... and they don't "have" to come to terms. Not if the LA guys can carve out their own territory on a different part of Destiny. It's certainly big enough.
Of course, maybe that's not plausible after all. Or at least not a sustainable situation. Since only one side can have access to the life support controls or the Stargate, they'd be in a position to force the other side to the table. Too bad. It seemed like such a good idea.
Yeah, I'm late coming into the game. I didn't get to see the episode until last night.
Average but enjoyable. I'm a bit disappointed that Colonel Telford is the Lucian Alliance spy. They've been portraying the guy from the beginning as a dick that everyone hates, and now the audience is supposed to hate him. With all the drama with triangle between him, Young and Young's wife. Greer apparentally hates him so much that he beat him. He's basically an ass with the way he deals with everyone else. Clearly the audience is supposed to hate him. However, all this could have just been his personality, the guy just isn't friendly. But no, they had to make him an actual villain instead.
So, now we can see a pattern when it comes to Colonels in Stargate. Good Colonels are laid-back, sarcastic smartasses (O'Neill, Mitchell, Sheppard) or casual easy-going folks who inspire devout loyalty in their subordinates (Carter, Young) while bad Colonels are stiff and formal in a stereotypical military fasion (Maybourne, Makepeace, Telford).
The concept of the Lucian Alliance has apparentally been reworked. No longer a group of mercenaries usurping Goa'uld ships and technology to make a name for themselves, they are now the galaxy's self-appointed guardians with a philosophy they claim to believe in. Too bad they still come off as cliche evil bad guys. Torture and arbritary executions. I rolled my eyes when they executed that scientist for his incompetence. One of the should just grow a moustache and twirl it.
And apparentally they have detailed knowledge about Destiny, Specialist Gage even told Rush he'd read descriptions of the ship. Presumably this info comes from Telford. If so, why are they trying so hard to get there? I'll assume they probably have a return method in mind which will be covered in the next episodes, but they must know the ship is a broken down bucket, and I'm pretty sure one of the hundreds Ha'taks they must have are in better shape. And what's going to happen once everyone shows up and realizes thay've toiled for nothing? Is Specialist Gage going to get so upset with Kiva's lack of leadership that he attacks her with a garrot wire? That would be the cliche thing to do.
Also, hasn't anyone looked up Destiny in the Atlantis database yet? I'm sure there must be something there about it. Perhaps even blueprints, diagrams and instructions on how to build your own.
Average but enjoyable. I'm a bit disappointed that Colonel Telford is the Lucian Alliance spy. They've been portraying the guy from the beginning as a dick that everyone hates, and now the audience is supposed to hate him. With all the drama with triangle between him, Young and Young's wife. Greer apparentally hates him so much that he beat him. He's basically an ass with the way he deals with everyone else. Clearly the audience is supposed to hate him. However, all this could have just been his personality, the guy just isn't friendly. But no, they had to make him an actual villain instead.
So, now we can see a pattern when it comes to Colonels in Stargate. Good Colonels are laid-back, sarcastic smartasses (O'Neill, Mitchell, Sheppard) or casual easy-going folks who inspire devout loyalty in their subordinates (Carter, Young) while bad Colonels are stiff and formal in a stereotypical military fasion (Maybourne, Makepeace, Telford).
The concept of the Lucian Alliance has apparentally been reworked. No longer a group of mercenaries usurping Goa'uld ships and technology to make a name for themselves, they are now the galaxy's self-appointed guardians with a philosophy they claim to believe in. Too bad they still come off as cliche evil bad guys. Torture and arbritary executions. I rolled my eyes when they executed that scientist for his incompetence. One of the should just grow a moustache and twirl it.
And apparentally they have detailed knowledge about Destiny, Specialist Gage even told Rush he'd read descriptions of the ship. Presumably this info comes from Telford. If so, why are they trying so hard to get there? I'll assume they probably have a return method in mind which will be covered in the next episodes, but they must know the ship is a broken down bucket, and I'm pretty sure one of the hundreds Ha'taks they must have are in better shape. And what's going to happen once everyone shows up and realizes thay've toiled for nothing? Is Specialist Gage going to get so upset with Kiva's lack of leadership that he attacks her with a garrot wire? That would be the cliche thing to do.
Also, hasn't anyone looked up Destiny in the Atlantis database yet? I'm sure there must be something there about it. Perhaps even blueprints, diagrams and instructions on how to build your own.
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Since they've already started down the path, I would prefer they commit to it rather than cop-out and say Telford was brainwashed. Besides, brainwashing is a type of reset button, and I'd rather they not go down that path.
Something else I noticed. Frequently in the episode Young says he's conferring with Stargate Command, yet we always see him at the Pentagon. Does this mean Cheyenne Mountain has been shut down in the Stargate continuity? After all, the real life Cheyenne Mountain base has been shut down, it stands to reason within show contunity there would eventually be reason for it to shut down. But if that's the case, does that mean a portion of the Pentagon is now called Stargate Command? And further more, is the Stargate itself now located in the Pentagon?
Something else I noticed. Frequently in the episode Young says he's conferring with Stargate Command, yet we always see him at the Pentagon. Does this mean Cheyenne Mountain has been shut down in the Stargate continuity? After all, the real life Cheyenne Mountain base has been shut down, it stands to reason within show contunity there would eventually be reason for it to shut down. But if that's the case, does that mean a portion of the Pentagon is now called Stargate Command? And further more, is the Stargate itself now located in the Pentagon?
Its more ore like "stargate" command instead of "homeworld" command is mentioned for the same reason TV cops always yell out the agency name instead of "police" or "federal agent", except Jack Bauer that is
, you are being sold the brand name so you don't forget what show you are watching.All the unit insignia reads Homeworld Command. Presumably the included agency, Stargate Command under Major General Laundry is still sending SG teams out on missions.
Besides, Young is checking in via intergalactic body-swap. I think the U.S. Government can swing a long-distance phone call to get him the rest of the way.
Now that I think about it, though, they might be intentionally doing that so as to keep their options open (or preserve planned plot surprises) in the potential remaining Atlantis and SG-1 movies. If Cheyenne Mountain was shut down and the SGC and Giza gate was moved to Area 51 or McMurdo or something, or if they decided to keep Atlantis on Earth, they'd probably want to show that off in their respective shows first.
Now that I think about it, though, they might be intentionally doing that so as to keep their options open (or preserve planned plot surprises) in the potential remaining Atlantis and SG-1 movies. If Cheyenne Mountain was shut down and the SGC and Giza gate was moved to Area 51 or McMurdo or something, or if they decided to keep Atlantis on Earth, they'd probably want to show that off in their respective shows first.
You have a fair point. I think they kept it open enough to keep a bit of a mystery for now.
Personally, I think he is brainwashed. As others have mentioned it would be too convenient for him to be a jerk outside of his SGC duties and then make him an SGC baddy. Also, the way he just turned on a dime to give his megalomaniac speech towards the end there just seemed out of nowhere (as if the "brainwash" kicked in).
Its more ore like "stargate" command instead of "homeworld" command is mentioned for the same reason TV cops always yell out the agency name instead of "police" or "federal agent", except Jack Bauer that is
All the unit insignia reads Homeworld Command. Presumably the included agency, Stargate Command under Major General Laundry is still sending SG teams out on missions.
If they have the choice between O'Neill and Landry they choose O'Neill as the featured guest character. And O'Neill sits in the Pentagon.
I dunno, do the "Stargate SG-1" sets of Cheyenne Mountain even exist anymore or were they torn down?
As mentioned above, the gate room is still standing, and likely will continue as long as there is a Stargate show in production. As for the rest of the SGC, if those sets aren't still standing, than they're likely in storage.
Has anyone considered that Telford was brainwashed to be a successful and proper SGC officer and not to be a traitor? Maybe he was a traitor already, and went through the process as not to blow his cover--a reverse manchurian agent. Which would explain why they immediately knew what was that--unless certain mneumonic triggers were fired, he'd still be in his 'cover' personality. So maybe the Telford we saw gloating about how the LA was left to pick up the pieces from the Goa'uld stranglehold over the galaxy (which is an interesting characterization that I hope they don't drop, "Space Mafia" is kinda lame) WAS the real Telford.
Checkmate
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So a group who's only been around for a years, managed to put someone into a top secret organization, with a longstanding history with one of the leads, and who's been in the military long enough to become a colonel. Despite, again, only having been around for a handful of years now.
Yeah... no.
I misread it at first myself. The post was that Telford himself turned and then underwent the brainwash treatment on his own to avoid detection.
You and me both, man.
Even in the preview for the next episode where the LA invades the ship, she's still going on about talking to them, being pretty belligerent.
She is the most useless character and it's not like she's vital to the story. Every one of her points is simply opposing Young because she wants power, not because she can run anything better. Let's not kid ourselves, her in command would be disastrous.
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