SG-U – Justice (1x10) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[Mr. Adventure]

Re: SG-U – Justice (1x10) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

I felt that Young leaving Rush on the plant was out of character. I can see him beating him up, but not actually leaving him behind.

Still I did enjoy the episode, and while it was a bit contrived, it was a good cliffhanger.

I agree. It was out of character. I expected him to be carrying Rush over his shoulder when he came back through the gate - then locked him in his room.

It didn't strike me as out of character. This guy sent his consciousness across the galaxy and used subterfuge to put a sucker punch on Telford. Haven't we all wondered how they could tolerate a guy like Dr. Smith(LiS) or Baltar(BSG)? This is probably more on point than we'd like to admit in these situations.

 

[superstring01]

Okay, scratch out "Friday night" and write something else. His point was very clearly that if you don't like the show don't watch it. And you seem to really hate it, so stop watching it. There's no point watching a show that makes you angry.

And no, I'm not a fan of the show who is getting pissed at you for insulting it. I hate Stargate Universe and I stopped watching it immediately after "Life" because I realized it clearly isn't for me.

Point taken. And, no, your criticizm doesn't piss me off. I never fail to drop a bon mot on bastards who annoy me. Why shouldn't I expect it back?

I keep watching the show, hoping and PRAYING that it soon evolves into the spiritual successor of BSG like it should be, like it feels it could be! I'm a sucker, and I freely admit it. I will watch ANYTHING that is reasonably budgeted science fiction which also takes place in space. I'm obsessed. I'm a Star Trek, Star Wars, Fringe, Andromeda, Space Above And Beyond, Dune (not a TV show, but the books are the best) fan of the Nth degree. I'm convince that the episode on which I decide to give up "SGU" will be the very episode that it finally takes off and does something wonderful.

See, I'm doing the opposite for "Heroes". It was amazing from Season 1 and from then on, it's like a bad marriage where my spouse is secretly smoking crack while I'm at work and totally letting himself go, but I stick around because of the memories of how GREAT things used to be.

In the case of SGU, I'm convinced that, very soon. . . maybe soon, it's internal systems will all MOSTLY under the control of the crew. The ship will transform (a la DS9) into a rough-ish but very homie home away from home, with amenities and facilities to explore the universe in a way they should. I don't want the entire series to revolved around stupid personal conflicts. Honestly, I wouldn't miss that particular part of BSG. I want SOME of BSG, some of SG and some of Voyager (well, just a dash of Voyager. . . not too much, or it'll spoil the show). But you get what I mean.

EXPLORE FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! EXPLORE!

~String

 

[Blueicus]

I agree, Young's shown himself to respond very strongly (perhaps overly strong) to people who've slighted him. The fact that he went back to Earth to beat up Telford in broad daylight on a public street is only one sign of how volatile he can be when he feels threatened or attacked personally.

 

[Akiraprise]

But at the same time Young has shown himself to care about the safety of his crew, first and foremost. I can respect a man like that. Sure he's a bit of a hot head but it just shows he's not infallible. Young's goal is to get his crew home. Screw exploring. Which is the opposite of Rush's goal. They're bound to butt heads.

 

[biotech]

As much as I like it when Young beats the crap out of someone, leaving someone to die alone and telling the crew they died in a rock slide is a whole other scale of fucked up.

I dont see how he can ever redeem himself now.

 

[BenRoethig]

I just watched the episode, I think Young is a horrible person to be in charge, I don't know why Jack wants him in charge. While Rush is a bastard for sure, I really don't blame him for what he did to get Young out of the way. I think the lady should have remained in charge, it looked like things were finally starting to get done like studying the chair. I think Rush should be in charge of his science team, a lot more would get done.

It is obvious Rush will get the alien ship working to get back to Destiny. It does look like an Ancient shuttle a little bit, but they made a point to say in context that it does not look like any form of Ancient design, so it probably really is alien. Look forward to more about that.

Overall, this episode was rather boring, up until the end. I was extremely bored with the whole court room thing, it is so cliche now, and no where matched up with what BSG did with the whole court scene. They tried, but not hard enough.

This was a slow episode, and I'm still waiting for some action or something to happen, while I can appreciate a slow build up, it seems like nothing is happening and no progress is being made, despite the fact we are half way through the first season.

It is hard to grade this one, I guess I'm going with Average for now.

I don't think Jack wants him in charge, but he's the best option Jack has. The IOA has given Jack plenty of reasons not to trust them and Rush is pretty nuts.

 

[Jenee]

It didn't strike me as out of character. This guy sent his consciousness across the galaxy and used subterfuge to put a sucker punch on Telford. Haven't we all wondered how they could tolerate a guy like Dr. Smith(LiS) or Baltar(BSG)? This is probably more on point than we'd like to admit in these situations.

I can understand going back to Earth and beating the crap out Telford. In fact, think that was completely in character.

But, leaving Rush on the planet - even if he thinks Rush might actually learn something about that ship and be able to eat and drink and have shelter and maybe fly off that planet, he doesn't know for sure - so, he basically left him alive to die a horrible, lonely death. That's very sadistic and not at all in character.

 

[Lucky Charms]

Leaving Rush on the planet was very short-sided, and I just don't see Young behaving that way. It's one thing to beat someone up, but totally another to leave them stranded on an alien plant especially when that person is your best tech guy for ancient technology.

I just feel the writers did not really present a very compelling reason for Young to act that way, other than to create the suspense of leaving Rush behind. I think it would have been better to have Young bring him back, and then impose harsh restrictions on Rush's movements.

As to weather Rush is good or bad I like that it is ambiguous, part of what I liked about Baltar. I think to have Rush actually kill someone for personal gain would be going too far on the evil meter. As Rush stated he knew Young would not actually be found guilty, Rush just needed there to be doubt to achieve his goals.

 

[Jenee]

The only thing that makes sense to me about Young's actions, is if the Aliens came out of the spacecraft and convinced him that Rush should be left behind but would catch up to Destiny later - while Rush was unconcious, of course.

Then the Aliens left him unconcious till he woke up on his own. Next episode, after looking up in the sky, Rush will turn around and there will be .... Furlings decendants.

They'll give Rush some knowledge about the Ancient's tech, but with a price - some kind of deal they made with Young.

 

[Islander]

I just feel the writers did not really present a very compelling reason for Young to act that way, other than to create the suspense of leaving Rush behind.

I disagree. What they're showing us is that Young is extremely driven by his emotion up to the point of being completely enraged and making very bad decisions. This is following up on him kicking Telford's ass. Some have rationalized that he was not caring of the consequences given his situation but I think that he wasn't thinking of the consequences at all and probably regretted his actions after. The same would go for Rush. I know such traits diametrically opposes the trait of a soldier, let alone a ranking officier, but the writters want to state that everybody's human.

 

[DWF]

Leaving Rush on the planet was very short-sided, and I just don't see Young behaving that way. It's one thing to beat someone up, but totally another to leave them stranded on an alien plant especially when that person is your best tech guy for ancient technology.

I just feel the writers did not really present a very compelling reason for Young to act that way, other than to create the suspense of leaving Rush behind. I think it would have been better to have Young bring him back, and then impose harsh restrictions on Rush's movements.

As to weather Rush is good or bad I like that it is ambiguous, part of what I liked about Baltar. I think to have Rush actually kill someone for personal gain would be going too far on the evil meter. As Rush stated he knew Young would not actually be found guilty, Rush just needed there to be doubt to achieve his goals.

So, if Young takes Rush back to the ship and lock him up, how long will the continue to feel the need to give Rush food and water? It might've been a rash decision on Young's part but there are complications that could arise later on.

 

[Harvey]

So Young should starve Rush to death? The point in bringing him back to the ship alive is that Rush is the preminent expert on ancient technology. That knowledge is key to their survival. But, instead of saving that knowledge, Young decided to act criminally instead and leave him on the planet.

 

[DWF]

So Young should starve Rush to death? The point in bringing him back to the ship alive is that Rush is the preminent expert on ancient technology. That knowledge is key to their survival. But, instead of saving that knowledge, Young decided to act criminally instead and leave him on the planet.

Young intructed Eli to learn all about the ship and Rush had been hiding things from them anyway. Still Rush did frame Young for murder and they can't really let that pass, Rush even admitted that things between them will never be over. Still right nor wrong it'll come back to haunt Young I think you can be sure of that.

In the end it's stuff like this that makes the show really interesting.

 

[Harvey]

It's stuff like this that makes the show frustrating!

Eli's been studying the ship (and the ancients, and the stargate, and EVERYTHING) for a few weeks or perhaps months, and that somehow makes him a reliable replacement for Rush (or any of the scientists)? He's a college dropout who cracked a code on a MMORPG. There's a lot of catching up to do before he can reasonably match Rush's abilities.

And who has been arguing that Rush should be given a pass for his crimes? Locking him up in his room and only allowing him freedom when they need his help is a reasonable punishment, given the circumstances. Marooning him on a planet, lying about it, and destroying the evidence of his crime hardly seems reasonable. What's going to happen when Rush catches up with the ship? Young will be in danger of losing his command yet again. Terrible leadership.

 

[Lucky Charms]

Leaving Rush on the planet was very short-sided, and I just don't see Young behaving that way. It's one thing to beat someone up, but totally another to leave them stranded on an alien plant especially when that person is your best tech guy for ancient technology.

I just feel the writers did not really present a very compelling reason for Young to act that way, other than to create the suspense of leaving Rush behind. I think it would have been better to have Young bring him back, and then impose harsh restrictions on Rush's movements.

As to weather Rush is good or bad I like that it is ambiguous, part of what I liked about Baltar. I think to have Rush actually kill someone for personal gain would be going too far on the evil meter. As Rush stated he knew Young would not actually be found guilty, Rush just needed there to be doubt to achieve his goals.

So, if Young takes Rush back to the ship and lock him up, how long will the continue to feel the need to give Rush food and water? It might've been a rash decision on Young's part but there are complications that could arise later on.

By harsh restrictions I certainly don't mean starving him to death, but rather he is closely watched and his movements limited. As someone stated earlier in the thread Rush would go to jail if they were back home for his actions.

 

[Kpnuts]

I watched this episode with a couple of mates. Their reaction at the end was wanting to change to another show as quickly as possible, while complaining that the whole episode was 'Dull dull dull'. I had to agree. The whole show is dull.

I've lost all respect for Young after this. And Rush for that matter. Pretty crap (and dull) episode.

More talking. More arguing. More talking. More fighting. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[bigdaddy]

And more viewers ditching. At this rate there will not be a season 2.

 

[DWF]

Leaving Rush on the planet was very short-sided, and I just don't see Young behaving that way. It's one thing to beat someone up, but totally another to leave them stranded on an alien plant especially when that person is your best tech guy for ancient technology.

I just feel the writers did not really present a very compelling reason for Young to act that way, other than to create the suspense of leaving Rush behind. I think it would have been better to have Young bring him back, and then impose harsh restrictions on Rush's movements.

As to weather Rush is good or bad I like that it is ambiguous, part of what I liked about Baltar. I think to have Rush actually kill someone for personal gain would be going too far on the evil meter. As Rush stated he knew Young would not actually be found guilty, Rush just needed there to be doubt to achieve his goals.

So, if Young takes Rush back to the ship and lock him up, how long will the continue to feel the need to give Rush food and water? It might've been a rash decision on Young's part but there are complications that could arise later on.

By harsh restrictions I certainly don't mean starving him to death, but rather he is closely watched and his movements limited. As someone stated earlier in the thread Rush would go to jail if they were back home for his actions.

You misunderstood me, I have to wonder how long they'd even be able to keep him a prisoner with their limited resources. At some point they'd have to rethink locking him up in the first place.

 

[DWF]

It's stuff like this that makes the show frustrating!

Eli's been studying the ship (and the ancients, and the stargate, and EVERYTHING) for a few weeks or perhaps months, and that somehow makes him a reliable replacement for Rush (or any of the scientists)? He's a college dropout who cracked a code on a MMORPG. There's a lot of catching up to do before he can reasonably match Rush's abilities.

And who has been arguing that Rush should be given a pass for his crimes? Locking him up in his room and only allowing him freedom when they need his help is a reasonable punishment, given the circumstances. Marooning him on a planet, lying about it, and destroying the evidence of his crime hardly seems reasonable. What's going to happen when Rush catches up with the ship? Young will be in danger of losing his command yet again. Terrible leadership.

Locking Rush up only means that he try to get rid of Young again and again. And we don't know how long Rush has been working on the project either for that matter, but given Young's comments in the pilot it can't be more than six months. Oddly enough seeing as how Eli broke the code on the ninth chevron that would him the perfect candidate to bypass the chair if need be. If Rush was so smart he would've needed Eli in the first place.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Re: SG-U – Justice (1x10) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

I'm trying to think of when Rush was actually useful in solving one of their predicaments. There must have been a situation where he was helpful but it's not coming to me.