It was largely a pirate practice. And I didn't mean to imply it was being used in any legal sense; it had no more to do with military justice than Young beating the crap out of Telford did.
SG-U – Justice (1x10) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)
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Actually we don't know if the plan wouldn't have worked, seeing as the only reason they believed it wouldn't work was Rush saying so and would you believe Rush?
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The big problem is what's going to happen when Rush gets back onboard. Young is screwed when the rest of the crew finds out what he did regardless of the reasons. And if the rest of the crew isn't absolutely inflamed by it -- considering that they now know Young is not only willing to lie to their face, but willing to commit murder to get back at someone -- I'm just going to roll my eyes.
First Rush lied to them about finding the Icarus planet in the database then he tries to frame Young for murder, I think Young will have people on his side then you might think.
Young tampered with and later hid the evidence of Rush's crimes. Later, he ordered away all witnesses so he could physically assault Rush, and leave him to die. After that, he returned to the Destiny and lied about the entire incident, claiming that Rush died in a rock slide.
The only thing Young has done is nearly validate Rush's insane reasoning. And when Rush returns, Young will immediately be caught in a lie (Rush's death). And the only way for Young to get out of the situation would be to admit to another lie (Covering up Rush's murder frame). And admitting to that lie will only reveal that the only 'justice' Young is interested in is his own, twisted sense of the word. Not unlike Rush, in the end.
The only way I see the writers getting out of this situation is the following: Rush returns to the ship, pretends Young's story about the rock slide is true (he'll say he miraculously survived), and holds the true story over Young in order to reassert his position on the ship without any consequences for his murder frame. Eli, of course, will go along with this, because he'll do whatever the writers want of him.
The only thing Young has done is nearly validate Rush's insane reasoning. And when Rush returns, Young will immediately be caught in a lie (Rush's death). And the only way for Young to get out of the situation would be to admit to another lie (Covering up Rush's murder frame). And admitting to that lie will only reveal that the only 'justice' Young is interested in is his own, twisted sense of the word. Not unlike Rush, in the end.
The only way I see the writers getting out of this situation is the following: Rush returns to the ship, pretends Young's story about the rock slide is true (he'll say he miraculously survived), and holds the true story over Young in order to reassert his position on the ship without any consequences for his murder frame. Eli, of course, will go along with this, because he'll do whatever the writers want of him.
To be fair, he didn't say Rush had died, did he? He just said there was a rock slide - maybe I missed something but I interpreted it as 'he didn't make it back in time [because of the rock slide]'
Oh he woudl be pretty screwed if Rush showed up with clear fight injuries and said 'there wasn't a rock slide, he fought me.' 
I think we've also all figured out (haven't read the thread but I doubt I'm the first to say it) that Rush will catch up with Destiny in the crashed ship? Mighty convenient there was a ship on the planet the'd get left behind on. Good thing it wasn't the crazy squid planet.
I think we've also all figured out (haven't read the thread but I doubt I'm the first to say it) that Rush will catch up with Destiny in the crashed ship? Mighty convenient there was a ship on the planet the'd get left behind on. Good thing it wasn't the crazy squid planet.
Reminds me of Jack Palance from Batman...
Young: Rush! Thank god you're alive!
As for Rush actually getting back, if the ship doesn't work, he could always find some gate addresses inside that will allow him to travel through the gates to catch up with the Destiny.
Young: Rush! Thank god you're alive!
As for Rush actually getting back, if the ship doesn't work, he could always find some gate addresses inside that will allow him to travel through the gates to catch up with the Destiny.
Re: SG-U – Justice (1x10) - (Discuss – Grade - Commentary | SPOILERS)
7. Finally got to see this. Just average, a C. Not really bad but not stellar. A run of the mill mystery that was solved through technical means. Maybe true to life but no so thrilling. Not much drama that it was Young, because we knew it wasn't. And, Rush was always a suspect. The only thing that impressed me a bit was that at the end, they both knew where they stood without a doubt. Before, they softened the conflict.
This confrontation felt like a game changer. Obviously, there's no doubt that Rush will be back by using the alien ship. So, the conflict will continue at a new bitter level.
I suppose, but what's the point of being deep, deep into space but make the big conflict with another person?
Mr Awe
7. Finally got to see this. Just average, a C. Not really bad but not stellar. A run of the mill mystery that was solved through technical means. Maybe true to life but no so thrilling. Not much drama that it was Young, because we knew it wasn't. And, Rush was always a suspect. The only thing that impressed me a bit was that at the end, they both knew where they stood without a doubt. Before, they softened the conflict.
This confrontation felt like a game changer. Obviously, there's no doubt that Rush will be back by using the alien ship. So, the conflict will continue at a new bitter level.
I suppose, but what's the point of being deep, deep into space but make the big conflict with another person?
Mr Awe
Good comparison. I like both characters. But, Avon had better lines and a better actor portraying him.
Mr Awe
Re: SG-U – Justice (1x10) - (Discuss – Grade - Commentary | SPOILERS)
This aspect of it will actually retroactively taint or improve my view of Justice. If the cliffhanger conflict gets reset buttoned away, it will annoy the heck out of me - if they do it well, I'll likely look back more favourably on this episode as the setup.
Because they're trapped together with mutually beneficial skills and a mutual need to survive, I guess.
This aspect of it will actually retroactively taint or improve my view of Justice. If the cliffhanger conflict gets reset buttoned away, it will annoy the heck out of me - if they do it well, I'll likely look back more favourably on this episode as the setup.
Because they're trapped together with mutually beneficial skills and a mutual need to survive, I guess.
Finally got around to watching this. Excellent episode, and even though I knew the ending already (having read this thread), it was interesting to see the whole thing play out.
I can't say I blame Young for leaving Rush behind. Rush would never have let go--"It will never be over." Rush had no way of knowing how framing Young would play out. He had no idea if Spencer was actually close to anyone, and could have inadvertently gotten Young murdered in revenge. Given how ignorant Rush is of human behavior in general, it was reckless and he was playing with Young's life. It was a shitty thing for Young to ditch him on the planet, but understandable given the circumstances. Young was faced with the very choice Ray speculated about: a disruptive influence that had to be removed from the ship.
It's fine if Rush ends up back on the ship by the end of the next episode, however they had better not reset the character relationships here. Considering the actions of both Young and Rush, people shouldn't be quick to trust either of them once the truth comes out.
I can't say I blame Young for leaving Rush behind. Rush would never have let go--"It will never be over." Rush had no way of knowing how framing Young would play out. He had no idea if Spencer was actually close to anyone, and could have inadvertently gotten Young murdered in revenge. Given how ignorant Rush is of human behavior in general, it was reckless and he was playing with Young's life. It was a shitty thing for Young to ditch him on the planet, but understandable given the circumstances. Young was faced with the very choice Ray speculated about: a disruptive influence that had to be removed from the ship.
It's fine if Rush ends up back on the ship by the end of the next episode, however they had better not reset the character relationships here. Considering the actions of both Young and Rush, people shouldn't be quick to trust either of them once the truth comes out.
I just blew through the first half of the season, and am really liking Universe.
The show is a bit slow at times, I still can't believe how bad O'Neill looks, and the earth/stone scenes are getting old fast, but I like the cast for the most part (Eli is getting on my nerves). The character development is impressvive and has me hooked, and the stories have been pretty solid.
I don;t really know what to think of Rush, he's kinda' all over the map in terms of his likeableness. But the character is most interesting.
Justice was very excellent. I can't wait for more...I may even try to catch the show on TV when it resumes, instead of waiting for the discs.
The show is a bit slow at times, I still can't believe how bad O'Neill looks, and the earth/stone scenes are getting old fast, but I like the cast for the most part (Eli is getting on my nerves). The character development is impressvive and has me hooked, and the stories have been pretty solid.
I don;t really know what to think of Rush, he's kinda' all over the map in terms of his likeableness. But the character is most interesting.
Justice was very excellent. I can't wait for more...I may even try to catch the show on TV when it resumes, instead of waiting for the discs.
Well, I decided to check out "Justice". Yeah, yeah, I know I said I wasn't going to, but we all knew that was a lie. It'll take a hell of a lot more than "Life" to get me to give up on Stargate. It took two and a half seasons for me to give up on Enterprise, and Universe is nowhere near as bad as that.
Anyway, the episode was alright, but pretty boring. I'll definitely keep watching if they lay off the "Life" episodes, but the show still isn't grabbing me. I wish they'd do an episode set in a pine forest where they kill a few thousand Jaffa. Shallow, perhaps, but fun. I want fun. Less shouting, and more fun.
6/10.
Anyway, the episode was alright, but pretty boring. I'll definitely keep watching if they lay off the "Life" episodes, but the show still isn't grabbing me. I wish they'd do an episode set in a pine forest where they kill a few thousand Jaffa. Shallow, perhaps, but fun. I want fun. Less shouting, and more fun.
6/10.
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