SG-U – Justice (1x10) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[Kelthaz]

And more viewers ditching. At this rate there will not be a season 2.

Well, according to this site the ratings are dropping, but it did go up against the series finale of Monk. It's obviously that some viewers are ditching the show, but there's really no way of telling if the show is dying until the second half of the season airs.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/12/0...series-low-1-34-million-for-fall-finale/35505

 

[Snaploud]

I'm trying to think of when Rush was actually useful in solving one of their predicaments. There must have been a situation where he was helpful but it's not coming to me.

Yeah, I'm also drawing a blank.

 

[Ryan]

I can understand going back to Earth and beating the crap out Telford. In fact, think that was completely in character.

But, leaving Rush on the planet - even if he thinks Rush might actually learn something about that ship and be able to eat and drink and have shelter and maybe fly off that planet, he doesn't know for sure - so, he basically left him alive to die a horrible, lonely death. That's very sadistic and not at all in character.

Am I the only one who saw it more as a throwback to how captains would maroon mutinous sailors in the 18th century?

 

[Brikar99]

I'm trying to think of when Rush was actually useful in solving one of their predicaments. There must have been a situation where he was helpful but it's not coming to me.

Yeah, I'm also drawing a blank.

Wasn't he the one that faked out Telford into returning to Earth when the flying into the sun to charge the gate plan wasn't going to work?

 

[Star Wolf]

Re: SG-U

I'm trying to think of when Rush was actually useful in solving one of their predicaments. There must have been a situation where he was helpful but it's not coming to me.

Yeah, I'm also drawing a blank.

I was thinking the same when reading the thread. Dr Rush has added nothing to their survival Destiny has made bthe major moves on her own. The crew has only served to add muscle power. Maybe down the line TPTB will give the crew control of Destiny so Space 1999 become Star Trek Voyager. We shall see.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

This was for me the best episode so far. I was thinking of ditching this series but I think it may have turned around. Dumping Rush -- liar, liability, and threat to authority and their continued survival -- seemed an eminently reasonable thing for an alpha male like Young to do.

 

[SilentP]

Voted 9 Chevrons. I was really impressed with this episode, and really keen to see the fallout from Rush's disappearance from the crew.

 

[Jax]

Airing against Monk was suicidal though DVR numbers will have been up for episode 10. SYFY really need to work on there air dates and even though I hated the long breaks the old Summer/Spring combo always provided great ratings.

 

[Starkers]

Really liked it, and the show is making a good job of not giving me what I expected. I really had thought psycho sarge would have ended up in the chair, and I wouldn’t have pegged Young as the type to abandon a man like that, even after all he’s done. Ok so it is pretty obvious what will happen now (when I saw that ship my first thought was that’s a pricy effect for just a few minutes) but then again, it was obvious to me that the Sergeant would end up in the chair, just as it seemed obvious to me that Destiny would slingshot round the star (I never expected the ship to fly through it!!) so I’m hopeful that Rush’s resolution won’t be quite what I expect.

I’m finally warming to Rush because I think I finally have a handle on him.

He isn’t Baltar. Baltar was often on the back foot, very reactive rather than proactive, despite being a genius. Rush seems more Machiavellian, more inclined to direct events rather than react to things as they happen.

He isn’t Avon either. As someone else said, although framing Young was sneaky, he didn’t seem to think Young would be upset. There’s a curious naïveté about him, and a lack of self awareness. Avon knew exactly what kind of man he was, and what effect his actions would have.

Just goes to show, yet again, that nobody will ever create a more perfect anti-hero/heroic bastard than Paul Darrow and the B7 writers did.

I do love Greer more and more each episode though, and I adore TJ. I wonder at what point Young will start to wonder if Eli knows too much? Heck this was a great episode all round, they even gave Chloe something to do!

 

[Lucky Charms]

By harsh restrictions I certainly don't mean starving him to death, but rather he is closely watched and his movements limited. As someone stated earlier in the thread Rush would go to jail if they were back home for his actions.

You misunderstood me, I have to wonder how long they'd even be able to keep him a prisoner with their limited resources. At some point they'd have to rethink locking him up in the first place.

That is a good point. Overtime it would be hard to maintain the bad feelings toward Rush (assuming he did not continue to piss people off, which in his case is doubtful). Long term it would be really hard to truly punish someone on Destiny. Still I don't think it was right to just abandon Rush.

 

[cylkoth]

By harsh restrictions I certainly don't mean starving him to death, but rather he is closely watched and his movements limited. As someone stated earlier in the thread Rush would go to jail if they were back home for his actions.

You misunderstood me, I have to wonder how long they'd even be able to keep him a prisoner with their limited resources. At some point they'd have to rethink locking him up in the first place.

That is a good point. Overtime it would be hard to maintain the bad feelings toward Rush (assuming he did not continue to piss people off, which in his case is doubtful). Long term it would be really hard to truly punish someone on Destiny. Still I don't think it was right to just abandon Rush.

5 to 6 months confinement, with half his alotted rations, no access to his Ipod, or any other technology, and disable the door control inside whatever room is selected-a room without a porthole and not just lock him up in his nice comfy, spacious quarters as Suder was on Voyager, would sound appropriate for starters. They are scarce on food so lowering his share would help extend their resources. Rush's punishment, would help quell any further thoughts of insurrection with everyone seeing what would be in store for them.
Rush has made it perfectly clear that the Destiny is all he cares-or cases most about. What more fitting punishment than to lock him away in some timy room, taking him from the ship's heart and soul, while knowing his underlings will be investigating the mysteries of the ship and making possible breakthroughs and not him.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Rush is an amoral sociopath who does whatever it takes to get his own way. I think Young saw straight through him, and, given the opportunity and enough provocation, decided to solve an annoying problem on the spur of the moment. Was his action just? Certainly not but it's certainly going to have consequences. These aren't perfect people.

I'm also expecting the USAF to ask for its name to be taken off the credits at some point.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

Shows have split the cast up before. The most notable example I can think of is Farscape when two John Crichtons were created. Aeryn, Talyn and Crais went off on one, while most of the rest of the crew was still onboard Moya. Lasted, what, half a season like that?

Um, how about DS9 during the Dominion occupation of the station?

I can understand going back to Earth and beating the crap out Telford. In fact, think that was completely in character.

But, leaving Rush on the planet - even if he thinks Rush might actually learn something about that ship and be able to eat and drink and have shelter and maybe fly off that planet, he doesn't know for sure - so, he basically left him alive to die a horrible, lonely death. That's very sadistic and not at all in character.

Am I the only one who saw it more as a throwback to how captains would maroon mutinous sailors in the 18th century?

Mutinous officers in the 18th century would be put in chains and tried at the next opportunity for a court martial - assuming they weren't shot while trying to carry out their mutiny. They'd be hanged if found guilty. I don't think there was much in the way of marooning going on.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

As someone else said, although framing Young was sneaky, he didn’t seem to think Young would be upset. There’s a curious naïveté about him, and a lack of self awareness. Avon knew exactly what kind of man he was, and what effect his actions would have.

Exactly what I was saying. I also noticed that Rush seemed genuinely frightened when he was getting beaten up by Young. Young seemed driven by his anger, while Rush seemed driven by his fear of Young. I'd lay money on the fact that Rush's "I'll never stop" comment was at least 50% bluster generated by his fright. I wonder if Rush's daddy hit him as a child? I believe Rush already mentioned that he grew up in a dockyard worker's family.

 

[Starkers]

You misunderstood me, I have to wonder how long they'd even be able to keep him a prisoner with their limited resources. At some point they'd have to rethink locking him up in the first place.

That is a good point. Overtime it would be hard to maintain the bad feelings toward Rush (assuming he did not continue to piss people off, which in his case is doubtful). Long term it would be really hard to truly punish someone on Destiny. Still I don't think it was right to just abandon Rush.

5 to 6 months confinement, with half his alotted rations, no access to his Ipod, or any other technology, and disable the door control inside whatever room is selected-a room without a porthole and not just lock him up in his nice comfy, spacious quarters as Suder was on Voyager, would sound appropriate for starters. They are scarce on food so lowering his share would help extend their resources. Rush's punishment, would help quell any further thoughts of insurrection with everyone seeing what would be in store for them.
Rush has made it perfectly clear that the Destiny is all he cares-or cases most about. What more fitting punishment than to lock him away in some timy room, taking him from the ship's heart and soul, while knowing his underlings will be investigating the mysteries of the ship and making possible breakthroughs and not him.

The only flaw in this plan is that the first time Desinty encounters a problem than none of the scientists, not even Eli, can solve they'd have to let Rush out and I don't think he'd help graciously.

As someone else said, although framing Young was sneaky, he didn’t seem to think Young would be upset. There’s a curious naïveté about him, and a lack of self awareness. Avon knew exactly what kind of man he was, and what effect his actions would have.

Exactly what I was saying. I also noticed that Rush seemed genuinely frightened when he was getting beaten up by Young. Young seemed driven by his anger, while Rush seemed driven by his fear of Young. I'd lay money on the fact that Rush's "I'll never stop" comment was at least 50% bluster generated by his fright. I wonder if Rush's daddy hit him as a child? I believe Rush already mentioned that he grew up in a dockyard worker's family.

I think it was bluster, it was also bourne out of Rush likely believing that Young was an honourable, by the book officer and someone who wasn't likely to kill him. Slight miscalculation there!

 

[Jenee]

Mutinous officers in the 18th century would be put in chains and tried at the next opportunity for a court martial - assuming they weren't shot while trying to carry out their mutiny. They'd be hanged if found guilty. I don't think there was much in the way of marooning going on.

Only one instance that I know of and that was the mutineers put the captain and his officers in a boat - which eventually led to the tale of Moby Dick.

 

[biotech]

Dont you mean "Mutiny on the bounty"?

 

[Jenee]

Mutiny on th Bounty is the story of That particular incident.

while at sea, if it's the same story I'm thinking of, in the life boats, part of the crew are separated - three total ships, one for whatever reason is off by itself - and it's attacked by whale. The captain or one of the crew wrote about it in their diary or the captain's log or something ... someone several years later got hold of it and turned it into a short story ... then, Herman Melville got hold of that and wrote the fictional story of Moby Dick.

 

[Broccoli]

Mutinous officers in the 18th century would be put in chains and tried at the next opportunity for a court martial - assuming they weren't shot while trying to carry out their mutiny. They'd be hanged if found guilty. I don't think there was much in the way of marooning going on.

Only one instance that I know of and that was the mutineers put the captain and his officers in a boat - which eventually led to the tale of Moby Dick.

Which led to the movie of Ghostbusters!

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[Jenee]

Nope. I was wrong. It was a completely separate event.