I never thought DS9 was darker than TOS. Actually, I feel that TOS is by far the darkest of the Star Trek series'.
Sex 'n' violence in Discovery
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I never thought DS9 was darker than TOS. Actually, I feel that TOS is by far the darkest of the Star Trek series'.
Hmmm, maybe im due for rewatch of TOS, irs been years. Just off the top of my head I could see it though
I was very careful in opting to only use the words "blood and gore" and not using the word "violence". There can be non-violent causes for blood and gore that are acceptable to a viewing audience. So please don't twist what I said by injecting violence into this.
In most stories, "blood and gore" are a result of violence of one kind or another.
For three years one horrible possibly universe threatening thing happened to James T kirk every 7days, that required him to be light years away from the last horrible possibly universe threatening thing to meet the new horrible possibly universe threatening thing, and counter it.
If Enterprise wasn't where it was supposed to be, if it was removed from the timeline, every horrible possibly universe threatening thing that happened would have happened without Kirk there to save the day, so more than likely the day wouldn't have been saved.
(I first considered this about the original Knight Rider, but it's true for every genre show, even Airwolf or Hercules the Legendary Journeys.)
What if every threat from every episode of the original Star Trek didn't happen 7 days apart separately for 1095 days, but all at the same time at the very same moment in time yet still astrometrically just as sparse.
Invasions and gods and plagues would end up fighting each other until the last thing standing took the Federation or the Galaxy for a prize.
If Enterprise wasn't where it was supposed to be, if it was removed from the timeline, every horrible possibly universe threatening thing that happened would have happened without Kirk there to save the day, so more than likely the day wouldn't have been saved.
(I first considered this about the original Knight Rider, but it's true for every genre show, even Airwolf or Hercules the Legendary Journeys.)
What if every threat from every episode of the original Star Trek didn't happen 7 days apart separately for 1095 days, but all at the same time at the very same moment in time yet still astrometrically just as sparse.
Invasions and gods and plagues would end up fighting each other until the last thing standing took the Federation or the Galaxy for a prize.
An alien virus that causes hemorrhaging is not violence. The point is, just because there's blood and gore doesn't immediately mean there's a violent cause involved. I too do not like excessive violence in my television show, it is why I had to stop watching Breaking Bad despite the show being critically acclaimed. And I really dislike being used as a poster child for excessive violence on television when I too object to excessive violence on television. Go crucify someone else.
If you consider my post as being "crucified", I hate to see how you react to real trouble.
If you consider my post as being "crucified", I hate to see how you react to real trouble.
Yes, you happen to have struck a nerve of mine. I really dislike being labelled something I am not, it is one of my pet peeves that will cause me to defend myself. Anyway, I know there's no malicious intent behind it and I have stated my mind, so I consider the matter closed.
That's the key. TIIC tried to make ENT sexy with the decon chamber and not one time did it work for me.
Meanwhile, the scene of MU! Archer and Sato getting it on in a very explicit way (if shot largely in shadow, because network TV)? Not a problem for me. The scene was less about them banging and more about showing how scheming the both of them are. The decon scenes (and the first neuropressure session involving topless T'Pol) were all about titilating idiot teenage boys.
TNG, most likely. I've heard many stories over the years of people watching this show with their parents in first run. Not to mention, the ship (very stupidly IMO) had families onboard, so there's that.
Although they don't dwell on consequences (which almost makes it worse), there's quite a bit of violence in TOS. People get stabbed, killed by throwing star things, there's sexual violence, nearly every landing party involves a death. Space it's much more dangerous than in later shows, it's just presented in that bloodless sixties way that hides sightly what's going on.
And every TOS death has no real consequences. Remember when
In Operation: Annihilate!, the brother of Kirk dies? And the episodes ends with Kirk making jokes about vulcan ears? Can you imagine a modern tv show where a close relative of a main character dies and then the episode ends with laughs and a freeze frame..?
How much time passed between the two scenes? I'm sure Kirk privately grieved, maybe punched something in the ship's gym. I agree, with the further thought that he would have visited Peter later or talked about him more often if this were a modern show.
I agree in general, though I don't think that's universally the case. I remember there are several episodes where Kirk mourns for red shirts who die in the line of duty (Devil in the Dark comes to mind). But yeah, by the end of the episode, Kirk slaps McCoy on the back and they have a laugh. I guess that's because it was the 60's and City on the Edge is the exception that proves the rule?
I was watching The Ultimate Computer last night and while I think that episode is brilliant, the ending irritated the hell out of me. They've just seen ships get decimated, hundreds of people have died, and in the moment, Shatner plays it very well. He's distressed, terrified, and desperate to make M-5 stop its attacks. But by the end, he has a laugh with Spock and McCoy and they warp off to the next adventure. I would have much preferred it to end the way TNG might have ended the episode -- with the captain mournfully reflecting on the danger of uncontrolled technology and human hubris, or a poignant comment on Daystrom's downfall. Anything other than a joke, really.
It isn't clear, but they were still in orbit around the planet.
And in a deleted scene Kirk leaves Peter with a stranger couple, but it's ok, because they "always wanted a boy."
http://www.orionpressfanzines.com/articles/operationannihilate.htm
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Ops sorry. Corrected
