Sex 'n' violence in Discovery

[OpenMaw]

I think the path of least resistance is likely going to be female nudity. I look forward to finally seeing nude Orion Slave Girls...LOL...

It's funny. Enterprise was taking all this time to do these racy scenes with t'pol, and I kept waiting for them to finally get around to the Orions. We haven't really explored them in any of the TV shows up to that point and if you want some T&A, there's this long standing species of aliens that are all about getting it on.

Might have been a cool change of pace to have an orion crew member instead of T'pol.

 

[Skipper]

I think the path of least resistance is likely going to be female nudity. I look forward to finally seeing nude Orion Slave Girls...LOL...

They tried it with Stargate SG-1, remember? They immediately backpedaled.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Adults who watch Network (adjacent) TV as Porn are cheap prudes.

Children who watch Network (adjacent) TV as Porn can also easily find free porn, or steal porn from their parents.

 

[USS Belmont]

C'mon fellas, nobody realized why I picked "nude Orion Slave Girls" because they are all bodypainted green! So technically, they are not really nude and s/b okay for cable/streaming services...

 

[Jedi_Master]

C'mon fellas, nobody realized why I picked "nude Orion Slave Girls" because they are all bodypainted green! So technically, they are not really nude and s/b okay for cable/streaming services...

Most people probably stopped reading at "nude Orion Slave Girls" because they were... distracted.

 

[The Wormhole]

They tried it with Stargate SG-1, remember? They immediately backpedaled.

You mean with the frontal nudity in the pilot? My understanding that was just Showtime's execs putting pressure on SG-1's producers to have something adult in the pilot, and they relented with the nudity, although the producers have always stated they were always against the idea, and indeed the special edition DVD released some years back has the scene edited out. The first couple seasons also allegedly include profanity, but I can't confirm this since I've only seen anything prior to season 4 on syndicate re-runs. Certainly there's one occasion where I think profanity was edited out, unless Colonel O'Neill really did call Apophis a "mother [lengthy pause] Goa'uld."

 

[Kor]

They tried it with Stargate SG-1, remember? They immediately backpedaled.

It's interesting that the special "final cut" version of Children of the Gods had that completely removed.

Edit: Ninja'd by The Wormhole.

Kor

 

[Skipper]

If anyone is interested, here the list of differences between the Original Version and the Final Cut of SG-1 (obviously NSFW)
Part 1
Part 2

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Lately, I re-read the CBS/Paramount's own guidelines for Star Trek fan films especially the following paragraph:

" 7. The fan production must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. Videos must not include profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity, or any material that is offensive, fraudulent, defamatory, libelous, disparaging, sexually explicit, threatening, hateful, or any other inappropriate content... "

So, I wonder how it would be possible to include sex, violence and profanities in ST: Discovery, to the point that the series could be R-Rated while fans productions cannot... .
(anyway, the authors of fanfictions don't refrain themselves to the point that, certain stories made me blush hard!)

Plus, don't you think that, with the new Republican Administration which seems to be more puritanical than ever, CBS/Paramount would feel obliging to auto-censor to protect themselves from the politics/fans anger?

 

[jaime]

Lately, I re-read the CBS/Paramount's own guidelines for Star Trek fan films especially the following paragraph:

" 7. The fan production must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. Videos must not include profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity, or any material that is offensive, fraudulent, defamatory, libelous, disparaging, sexually explicit, threatening, hateful, or any other inappropriate content... "

So, I wonder how it would be possible to include sex, violence and profanities in ST: Discovery, to the point that the series could be R-Rated while fans productions cannot... .
(anyway, the authors of fanfictions don't refrain themselves to the point that, certain stories made me blush hard!)

Plus, don't you think that, with the new Republican Administration which seems to be more puritanical than ever, CBS/Paramount would feel obliging to auto-censor to protect themselves from the politics/fans anger?

I think Treks own history, whatever its cause, calls for that. Star Trek IV even runs a gag around no one using 'colourful metaphors' anymore. (I think I waffled on in a thread ages ago how a whole bunch of swearing just no longer works in Treks future...too many are based in gender, religion, culture, specific human anatomy....)

The same is true when looking at international releases, DVD sales (still a thing) and plenty of other similar pressures. Nudity is about the only thing I see changing much, an even then I would be surprised. It still has to sit next to all the other series after all.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The rules to making a porn parody are less stringent than the rules to making a fanfilm.

One minute of ####ing in the opening credits, and then you can legally ignore the fanfilm rules from then on. I can't be the only one to have noticed this jarringly obvious loophole?

 

[Kemaiku]

The rules to making a porn parody are less stringent than the rules to making a fanfilm.

One minute of ####ing in the opening credits, and then you can legally ignore the fanfilm rules from then on. I can't be the only one to have noticed this jarringly obvious loophole?

And it even ends on a hilariously inapproproate euphomism, beautiful.

 

[jaime]

The rules to making a porn parody are less stringent than the rules to making a fanfilm.

One minute of ####ing in the opening credits, and then you can legally ignore the fanfilm rules from then on. I can't be the only one to have noticed this jarringly obvious loophole?

Paging Axanar...

 

[Tenacity]

Star Trek IV even runs a gag around no one using 'colourful metaphors' anymore

If you look at TCOTEOF, it took an unusually traumatic event just of get the word "hell" out of Kirk.

And the death of his son for him to refer to Kurge as a "bastard." Swearing doesn't seem to be a casual thing.

 

[jaime]

If you look at TCOTEOF, it took an unusually traumatic event just of get the word "hell" out of Kirk.

And the death of his son for him to refer to Kurge as a "bastard." Swearing doesn't seem to be a casual thing.

Yup. I think because it's so human. You could argue that it's when the characters are really on the edge, really hurt, and usually framed as feeling alone as a result, that only then does the 'evolved human' slip back a notch. Bastard is already basically meaningless as an insult in western society, it all depends on a quasi-religious opinion of marriage and procreation to carry any weight... it wasn't even an insult once upon a time, and the 23rd century is waaaay beyond that curve.

 

[fireproof78]

They tried it with Stargate SG-1, remember? They immediately backpedaled.

Exactly so. It didn't fit with the story.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

They tried it with Stargate SG-1, remember? They immediately backpedaled.

Exactly so. It didn't fit with the story.

That was 20 years ago. Times (and television) have changed a lot since then.

 

[fireproof78]

That was 20 years ago. Times (and television) have changed a lot since then.

Not as much as everyone is crowing about.

I'm sure I'll come across as "anti-nudity" or whatever the term is. I think that it can be done well, and benefit the story, but I don't think it will be done well.

I would love to be proven wrong and I'll gladly take the "I told you so." I think @Christopher has made some excellent points in the other thread, and think there is a way to do it right. But, I just wonder if it will take away from the story.

As with all things Discovery, I'm in wait and see skeptic mode.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Exposed breasts were the third best thing about LEXX.

 

[Tenacity]

Bastard is already basically meaningless as an insult in western society

Depend on which American cultural group you're in, to some the term does carry considerable meaning and impact.

Bastards would seem to be rare in the Trek-verse, David Marcus was one of course, and there were a few others. Most of our heroes (when we know one way or the other) would appear to be the issue of married couples.