Yeah but they didn't sex it up until later in the series.
Sex 'n' violence in Discovery
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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I would just like to take the opportunity to say that like Marina Sirtis, Jeri Ryan and Jolene Blalock looked a lot better in actual Starfleet uniforms than in the catsuits they almost always wore. Granted, they eventually realized this on TNG with Sirtis, but it's a shame they never contrived a reason to get Ryan or Blalock in Starfleet uniforms more often. Hell, T'Pol actually becomes a Starfleet officer in the final season, so she should have been wearing a uniform.
I'm fine with more sexuality and violence than we've had in modern Trek, as long as they don't get carried away with the violence. The original series was very sexy, having been created in the days of Women's Lib and the Sexual Revolution, but the sequel series grew increasingly conservative (despite Enterprise's attempts to be more sexy, which generally freaked people out who had gotten used to family-friendly Trek). I'd like to see a return to the sexy and exotic ambiance of the original show.
I would've said middle-schoolers who'd just discovered their older brothers' Playboy stashes, but yeah....
As long as it's nothing like Enterprise in that regard, sure. Sex is fine. I just hope it's backed up by characterization.
One of my favorite uses of sex in Trek has to be from Star Trek III. Played from Saavik's perspective mostly we see her watching Spock suffer and she's very logical about it. "Okay, I have to help him through this." Okay, there's no actual sex. It's just foreplay and then implication, but it raised and left a lot of questions in the air to ponder. Stimulating the brain more than the nethers... But if they can use sex in the story in a similar way - to raise some questions and give us something to mull over on an intelligent level, than sure. Star Trek should not fall to Baywatch levels again.
That is not to say we can't have "shirtless captain" or "soft-lit yeoman" anymore. Let's just not make Trek some try-hard edge-fest. That's just not Trek's identity or soul.
Violence, much the same thing. I don't think we need to go hog-wiled with violence and gore if it's just for it's own sake. Though, TOS did have some nice nasties. One that always messed with my imagination was the Horta from Devil in the Dark. Those POV scenes of it attacking and melting dudes were actually fairly gruesome without showing anything.
One of my favorite uses of sex in Trek has to be from Star Trek III. Played from Saavik's perspective mostly we see her watching Spock suffer and she's very logical about it. "Okay, I have to help him through this." Okay, there's no actual sex. It's just foreplay and then implication, but it raised and left a lot of questions in the air to ponder. Stimulating the brain more than the nethers... But if they can use sex in the story in a similar way - to raise some questions and give us something to mull over on an intelligent level, than sure. Star Trek should not fall to Baywatch levels again.
That is not to say we can't have "shirtless captain" or "soft-lit yeoman" anymore. Let's just not make Trek some try-hard edge-fest. That's just not Trek's identity or soul.
Violence, much the same thing. I don't think we need to go hog-wiled with violence and gore if it's just for it's own sake. Though, TOS did have some nice nasties. One that always messed with my imagination was the Horta from Devil in the Dark. Those POV scenes of it attacking and melting dudes were actually fairly gruesome without showing anything.
Well, she never prescribed any drugs, so, more a psychologist I presume. I always assumed that serious psychosis were the field of doctor Crusher.
Troi was essentially Picard's PR rep.
This is the internet age, a recent study showed over 90% of kids are exposed to full on porn before they're 14. It's hard to maintain the idea that the coy sort of sideboob nudity Star Trek is ever likely to muster is going to ruin it for the kids.
I'm more concerned about the exploitative approach older Star Trek took to the depiction of women. Seven, T'Pol, nuCarol, etc were all used as eye candy in a disappointing way. DS9 was better at it but not perfect. Even Kira eventually swapped her no nonsense military uniform for a sleek near-catsuit. It's not the presence of nudity that is the issue, in my book, but the extent to which it is a natural part of the story versus how much it is immature exploitation.
I'm more concerned about the exploitative approach older Star Trek took to the depiction of women. Seven, T'Pol, nuCarol, etc were all used as eye candy in a disappointing way. DS9 was better at it but not perfect. Even Kira eventually swapped her no nonsense military uniform for a sleek near-catsuit. It's not the presence of nudity that is the issue, in my book, but the extent to which it is a natural part of the story versus how much it is immature exploitation.
Sex scenes are quite boring.....hint at stuff instead.....all this gay this and different that is also boring, just make it a natural thing....don't talk about it.
Also no more idiotic catsuits and walking boobs....it is so so so utterly old and tired!!!
And don't get edgy just for the sake of being edgy, and going overly complicated with a dead end idea...
Besides that I am easy!
Please some humour.....
Also no more idiotic catsuits and walking boobs....it is so so so utterly old and tired!!!
And don't get edgy just for the sake of being edgy, and going overly complicated with a dead end idea...
Besides that I am easy!
Please some humour.....
I want there to be no physical contact between characters (even if married), pregnancy should never be shown as it is filthy and unseemly to show the result of carnal relations on television, no violence should be allowed with the exception of a single punch that is obscured by large cartoon style word such as "Bang" or "Pow", and cursing should not be permitted including euphemisms like "dang", "heck" and the disgraceful "mothertrucker."
Lucy and Desi with separate beds is how God intended it to be!
FTFY.
Is there a KS for this?
Kicking is the favored action of dirty violence whores, so I prefer to use "GentleFootTapStarter" for my fund raising needs.
I'll look in to that. That sounds much more family friendly and perfect for my needs.
Ultimately, Discovery has to bring in a new generation of audience into the Star Trek universe. Which means it has to appeal to the young, and it has to be a show that parents will allow their children to watch.
Because of these reasons sex scenes will probably be rare and implicit, and there will be more blood and gore than a standard network show.
Because of these reasons sex scenes will probably be rare and implicit, and there will be more blood and gore than a standard network show.
This shows just how fucked up we truly are. We're okay with our kids having violence and gore implanted in the psyche, but we don't want them to see physical love and affection between people.
I avoided Dexter for a long time, because I didn't want to watch a show filled with what I expected: full of blood and gore and dismembering of bodies. But after giving it a try, I found it to be pretty mild compared to what I'd imagined. Sure, there was occasional frontal nudity, but I was surprised that the actual violence was pretty much offscreen. If it weren't for Deb's "colorful metaphors" it could probably be scrubbed enough for network television.
That's how I'd like to see Discovery handled. Not shackled by FCC standards, but something that could possibly be shown on CBS proper*.
*I am aware that the first episode will be broadcast OTA. That's not what we're talking about.
That's how I'd like to see Discovery handled. Not shackled by FCC standards, but something that could possibly be shown on CBS proper*.
*I am aware that the first episode will be broadcast OTA. That's not what we're talking about.
