Having a good laugh and warping off to next week's adventure after everything that happened this week, that's just an artifact of having been made for 1960s network television. They didn't all end that way. See, for example, "The Paradise Syndrome."
Sex 'n' violence in Discovery
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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Thanks. You just gave me something to add to MA - the fact that Winona (rather than Aurelan's mom) could be Peter Kirk's grandmother in that instance (and probably is).
I don't know why he had to die either. I think the deleted scene as is seems kind of dumb in that he didn't go with the boy to the transporter room. In fact, the scene should have taken place there.
It seems kind of mean or insensitive to have a solemn moment like that with the boy and then tell him to go by himself, like he's dismissing him. If Kirk had even offered to go with him and the boy said thanks, but I can do it alone (with a stiff lip and shoulders thrown back being "brave" and "grown up", maybe stopping at the door and saluting Kirk before he left and Kirk saluting back) I could buy that. Otherwise, it doesn't feel right. I suppose what we're seeing here is the end of a few days they spent together, maybe playing in the rec room/gym after Peter recovered.
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I'm only 26, so I can't speak as an authority on this. But from what I have seen of TV from that era i would say it's more to do with the episodic nature/time restraints of TV and the fact it really wasn't a "thing" do delve that deeply into the human condition
Count me among the so long as it isn't gratuitous crowd. I trust Fuller will know where the line should be until he proves otherwise.
I kind of wish more modern shows were like that. Sometimes TV takes itself way too seriously these days.
I'm against the sex just because TV does sex poorly. I'm not offended by sex but It's there just to get stupid people who want to see bewbs to watch a show and adds nothing to the characters and plot. I don't watch shows because some actress (or actor) is hot. There is the entire internet if I want to see sex and bewbs.
I don't want this to be another Game of Thrones with gratuitous sex scenes.
I don't want this to be another Game of Thrones with gratuitous sex scenes.
And speaking as an idiot teenage boy(I was 17 when Enterprise was cancelled) with his hormones all over the place I can say it still did not work for me. In fact most of the guys who were Trekkers that I knew found Hoshi the more attractive female character. Generally I think because the producers were actively trying to downplay her attractiveness and up-play Jolene. So whenever Hoshi did let her hair down it came off less forced.
I actually really was crushin' on Shran's second in command Talas during her appearances. I thought she was a much more interesting character and her sex appeal came off much more naturalistic to the character. The scenes with her and Reed during season 3 featured some subtle flirtation but also gave me the impression that both characters were on equal footing. They didn't play Talas as some thing Reed was gawking at.
Commander Remmick's head exploding, and then a disgusting creature coming out of his mangled torso, is such wholesome material for the kiddos.
Kor
That was so freakin' awesome!
Indeed. No HEE-HEE HAW HAW HAW there. Grim. Personally grim. Which is, to me, far more engaging than GALACTIC SCALE DESTRUCTION OF EVERYTHING.
Much the same can be said of episodes like the Doomsday Machine, too. We have implications of mass destruction, death on galactic scale, but the most tragic and gripping scene to me is Decker recounting his utter grief desperation to save his crew.
I don't think there's any risk of that happening. I'll be surprised if we see anything like full frontal in the show ever.
GOT isn't supposed to be a family-oriented show. ST always has been, at least until now. So no, pretty sure full frontal is not gonna happen in DSC.
I don't want my children learning about castration on the school yard.
We pay for HBO so that their little minds are not confused with bad facts.
We pay for HBO so that their little minds are not confused with bad facts.
That's one of the best scenes in the original series and William Windom's performance is just amazing. "There is no third planet." "Don't you think I know that!"
Sometimes I wonder if the TOS writer had a fixed quota of Ending with joke&laughs vs Somber endings to enforce because really, it seems so random. I lost my robot girlfriend and I'm sad (Requiem for Methuselah) and then Ships are lost and hundreds are dead, let's make a joke about computers! (The Ultimate Computer)
For me, I expect the sex to be reasonably tasteful and not overdone. I'm sure some more gratuitous stuff (a la decon scenes or catsuits) will probably sneak in somewhere at some point, as seemingly happens on almost all shows, but I imagine it will be kept to a minimum. Certainly, if the show starts off (and continues indefinitely) with one of the female main characters being stuck in a catsuit instead of a uniform, I will be incredibly disappointed. That tradition needs to die. If it shows a more graphic sex scene here or there, while feeling completely natural and connected properly to the story, then more power to them. Star Trek has always been a little too eager sanitize natural human relations, anyway.
As for violence, I expect the truth is what was already mentioned very early in this thread: more graphic probably refers to more alien. Going back to the TOS 'monster' style aliens, but with modern fx and with reasonable leeway to show some blood. I think that's also a good thing: it could go a long way towards curing the 'forehead of the week' syndrome, while simultaneously really selling the danger and exotic nature of space travel. I don't expect to see random Mortal Kombat style animations inserted into every phaser/disruptor death, nor to see Klingon torturers tearing crewmen apart. I also do hope that any deaths on the show actually feel important, and that the main characters don't automatically feel invincible, but again, it's still Star Trek, Fuller clearly seems to understand that, and I believe that the most unique and interesting element Trek can bring to the table in the current climate is that sense of humanism and optimism, so I don't expect this to get anywhere near grimdark.
As for violence, I expect the truth is what was already mentioned very early in this thread: more graphic probably refers to more alien. Going back to the TOS 'monster' style aliens, but with modern fx and with reasonable leeway to show some blood. I think that's also a good thing: it could go a long way towards curing the 'forehead of the week' syndrome, while simultaneously really selling the danger and exotic nature of space travel. I don't expect to see random Mortal Kombat style animations inserted into every phaser/disruptor death, nor to see Klingon torturers tearing crewmen apart. I also do hope that any deaths on the show actually feel important, and that the main characters don't automatically feel invincible, but again, it's still Star Trek, Fuller clearly seems to understand that, and I believe that the most unique and interesting element Trek can bring to the table in the current climate is that sense of humanism and optimism, so I don't expect this to get anywhere near grimdark.
Here's my problem with Rayna Kopec first time I saw this, in the 90s.
I'd already fallen in love with Louise Sorrel on (the soap) Santa Barbarba for being an intelligent, caustic, manipulative, evil, vicious cow who gut laughed at the misfortunes of others, while causing a lot of misfortune to those silly enough to fall within earshot of her abrasive and vindictive wit, to get ahead in life.
Evil is sexy.
Subtract 25 years, and I was beside myself with glee.
I'd already fallen in love with Louise Sorrel on (the soap) Santa Barbarba for being an intelligent, caustic, manipulative, evil, vicious cow who gut laughed at the misfortunes of others, while causing a lot of misfortune to those silly enough to fall within earshot of her abrasive and vindictive wit, to get ahead in life.
Evil is sexy.
Subtract 25 years, and I was beside myself with glee.
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If they wanted to sex up Jolene, why on God's green earth did they give her such bad hair and outfit for the first two seasons? Just because something is skintight doesn't mean it looks good. Yes the later catsuits were prettier. But as several people pointed out, Jolene did look better in a Starfleet uniform.
I think several pages back, someone mentioned an episode where Hoshi loses her shirt so I guess everyone had some (if unequal) opportunity to get exploited.
I seem to recall that the wardrobe people were under instructions that they wanted a skin-tight outfit for T'Pol that wasn't as provocative as Seven of Nine's (yes that was the actual instruction). Besides, from an in-universe perspective given the outfit was the Vulcan space service's uniform, it stands to reason the Vulcans wouldn't be concerned with fashion or "looking good."
You know, a neat twist on the holodeck malfunction trope would be to have someone using an S&M program on the holodeck when the safeties go offline. So they're stuck tied to a bed with a holographic partner whipping them while pouring hot wax on them while shit is going down with the aliens of the week outside.I know how to title the inevitable clip show episode that will feature all the show's sex scenes...
(Fifty) Shades of Gray...
...ok, I'll see my way out...
Yes, this is what I think about.
Of course not, the cocky son of a bitch thought the safeties would protect him from serious harm and never bothered to program a safe word into the program. 24th century arrogance at its finest.No safe word.
Just imagine the infinite opportunities for a mirror universe episode. INFINITE!
I mean, they'll be so busy to pork and/or kill each other that you'll have to wonder how the heck that ship is still flying.
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