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Season 2 an overall improvement?

Discovery is just over the top, and getting a bit wacky and unrealistic, in comparison to canon in the previous series.

10 years before Kirk we have:

We have a guy (Cubler) just return from the dead. His boyfriend, has implants to plug into a ship the has a 'Spore' powered drive, that can go anywhere in space, reality, and time.

The continuing stuff with Tyler/Voq, and now he is a Section 31 agent on Discovery.

Captain Lorca was from the mirror universe where he tried to take over control of the empire and was killed.

Georgeio, back from the dead as far as most people know, but is really the Emperor of the mirror universe and now is a Section 31 agent.

Burnham, someone who is close to Spock as sister, but yet we never knew about her (sorta like Sybok I suppose). Who then gets court marshaled, and put in prison and and now full exonerated and at her previous rank.

Klingons, with different looks and ships in season 1 , now retro-coned to be more like the previous trek series in season 2 in regards to looks and ships.

So you can see, if you backup and look at this far away, the show does seem pretty wacky. Almost more of a fantasy series and Sci-fi. Get someone who has never watched this show and try to explain to them all the stuff that has happened as they watch the latest episode, it may take a while. ;)

I do enjoy watching Discovery but i wish they would tone down some of these wacky storyline.
When it gets as ridiculous as TOS S3 - "Spock's Brain" - let me know (and TOS IS #1 in my book as anyone here can attest). There's plenty in TOS S2 and S3 that make ST: D appear 'Hard' Science Fiction by comparison.
 
Discovery is just over the top, and getting a bit wacky and unrealistic, in comparison to canon in the previous series.

I can only assume that those "previous series" used for comparison exclude the one where the Captain's birth was orchestrated by Prophets, and the series concludes with him fulfilling his destiny by joining said Prophets after wrestling a Wraith-inhabited villain into a fire pit - the fire having been summoned by a book with the power to blind someone and change their appearance.
 
Discovery is just over the top, and getting a bit wacky and unrealistic, in comparison to canon in the previous series.

10 years before Kirk we have:

We have a guy (Cubler) just return from the dead. His boyfriend, has implants to plug into a ship the has a 'Spore' powered drive, that can go anywhere in space, reality, and time.

The continuing stuff with Tyler/Voq, and now he is a Section 31 agent on Discovery.

Captain Lorca was from the mirror universe where he tried to take over control of the empire and was killed.

Georgeio, back from the dead as far as most people know, but is really the Emperor of the mirror universe and now is a Section 31 agent.

Burnham, someone who is close to Spock as sister, but yet we never knew about her (sorta like Sybok I suppose). Who then gets court marshaled, and put in prison and and now full exonerated and at her previous rank.

Klingons, with different looks and ships in season 1 , now retro-coned to be more like the previous trek series in season 2 in regards to looks and ships.

So you can see, if you backup and look at this far away, the show does seem pretty wacky. Almost more of a fantasy series and Sci-fi. Get someone who has never watched this show and try to explain to them all the stuff that has happened as they watch the latest episode, it may take a while. ;)

I do enjoy watching Discovery but i wish they would tone down some of these wacky storyline.

Not sure how this is at all wackier than any other Star Trek series that has come before, as I could come up with similar if not 'wackier' stuff from each and every one of the other series.
 
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I can only assume that those "previous series" used for comparison exclude the one where the Captain's birth was orchestrated by Prophets, and the series concludes with him fulfilling his destiny by joining said Prophets after wrestling a Wraith-inhabited villain into a fire pit - the fire having been summoned by a book with the power to blind someone and change their appearance.

Yes, in season 7, the ideas were getting a bit stretched thin with the writers. ;) Discovery has only had one and half seasons, so far and look at all the crazy shit that has happened so far. Of course, ALL the other series have had there fair share of weird episodes, but for discovery it is norm, rather than the exception. The show is entertaining and that is what matters (its all about the ratings), but as a serious contender in the Star Trek universe along with its fellow series, I have some doubts.
 
I actually want to list off all of the wacky stuff in the first 1 1/2 seasons of every single Star Trek show, but then I realize that would be a very long list and I really don't want to sit here in 4 hours still listing wacky stuff
 
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I was really liking where the season was going in the first two episodes, but I've had a few qualms with the last 3. I don't like bringing back Giorgeou and while I don't mind Section 31 (And that can be easily explained due to the time being over 100 years between Discovery and DS9) I wish they would not be as prominent as they seem to get. In the first two episodes we were actually getting what I was hoping for in Discovery: more involvement for the bridge characters, a sense of wonder, a very tactful discussion on religion vs. science, and this storyline with the red angels. The problem is we're getting to episode 6 and they keep on stalling the red angel storyline, the bridge crew is getting more pushed back to the background, and they're bringing back characters from Season 1. It feels like the new status quo, which was so much better, is getting sacrificed for the old status quo and that's disheartening for me. Hopefully they find Spock soon and we can move forward with that storyline.
 
Yes, in season 7, the ideas were getting a bit stretched thin with the writers. ;) Discovery has only had one and half seasons, so far and look at all the crazy shit that has happened so far. Of course, ALL the other series have had there fair share of weird episodes, but for discovery it is norm, rather than the exception. The show is entertaining and that is what matters (its all about the ratings), but as a serious contender in the Star Trek universe along with its fellow series, I have some doubts.

How about the revelation that the Greek gods were aliens pretending to be omnipotent, or the most powerful starship ever encountered was an upgrade on a Voyager probe, or the one about the aliens who couldn't cope with humour, or the one about the aliens who needed to kidnap Spock to remove his brain?

What about the naughty omnipotent child who got spanked by his parents, or maybe the one where going through the "galactic barrier" gave one psychic powers and a Napoleon complex?

Maybe the one where a petty criminal created an army of android clones?

Best not wipe out all the whales, but tell me - what does God need with a Spaceship?

Is that Tasha Yar over there returned from the dead to invade the federation or is it just Spock returned from the dead by his friend he lent his soul to?

Wow, hello Kes, you returned as an ominpotent being with anger issues, why not have a chat with Q, the omnipotent being seeking sanctuary on the ship, or was that Q the omnipotent being putting humanity on trial whilst trying to get in the sack with the captain (and I don't just mean Janeway).

Why are we all dressed as the Merry men?

Why are we all dressed as cowboys?

Why are we all dressed as gladiators?

Why are we dressed as cowboys again?

Look, I have Moriarty living in a box, and we're dressed as cowboys again. That one's growing old....

I think we should investigate this planet where we'll find Datas' head, or maybe this other planet where we'll also find Datas' head.

Did you know Kirk seduced Mother Nature and fathered all the species in the galaxy? Apparently though the progenitors helped by scattering their DNA, but they didn't do it to the Voth. Why do so many alien planets have humans living on them reliving our own history down to the tiniest details? Could it be a transporter accident? Does that make half of them evil?

Did you know the universe is kept in existence by some bearded mad bloke having a fight with his evil alter ego in an alternate dimension? Was that a transporter accident too or some other technology which creates an evil duplicate? Maybe it was the mirror universe, that plays the same trick apparently.

It's also kept in existence by the ship flying into a weird wibbly wobbly spatial anomaly and getting destroyed on three separate occasions, but somehow all at once. Did they meet Lazarus in there?

There's normal space, subspace, fluidic space, mycelial space, the mirror universe, pocket universes, transphasic space, transwarp tunnels, parallel universes, the Q continuum, an infinite number of alternate timelines, some following completely different underlying rules for temporal phenomena than others, transdimensional space, not to mention wherever Iconian gateways take you while doing exactly what the spore drive did, kinda like the Guardian of Forever but less pompous, did I mention the wormhole or wherever the hell it was V'ger went after bonding with its' creator and finally noticing all those biological types knocking about?
 
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I think many tend to forget just how “wacky” Trek got in the past because we tend to think of the stronger stuff. And then we’re reminded “oh yeah, Quark turned into a female that one time”.
I think my favorite description of the original series came from Fry on Futurama, who described Star Trek as having "79 episodes and around 30 good ones".
 
I think my favorite description of the original series came from Fry on Futurama, who described Star Trek as having "79 episodes and around 30 good ones".

I think that's about how many you get listed on all top 100 lists I've read of the entire franchise. And then all the others series appear to get about 70 collectively out of around their 550 or so episodes. Kind of paints a picture.
 
Voyager has 30 good ones?

Possibly, but many of those, say the Year In Hell, had their events completely erased so that they were essentially the 'It was just a dream" Voyager fanfiction the series is rightly infamous for propagating.
 
There is no known cure.

There is, call it Star Trek: Orville - then watch people bitch about recycled stories, immature jokes and how the two lieutenants at the front of the bridge (I'm no good with names) violate 'Genes Vision', Orville gets praise for being real Star Trek because it's actually not, if it was people would criticise big time.
 
Voyager has 30 good ones?

I think so.

Off the top of my head (which is rather frightning):

Counterpoint
Someone to Watch Over Me
Body and Soul
Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
Equinox 1 & 2
Muse
Flashback
Hunters
Prey
Message in a Bottle
Pathfinder
Life Line
Living Witness
Scorpion 1 & 2
Dark Frontier
Year of Hell 1 & 2
Death Wish
The Q and the Grey
Bride of Chaotica
Eye of the Needle
Basics 1 & 2
Relativity
Drone
Good Shepherd
Dragon’s Teeth
Hope and Fear

That’s upwards of 30, if we count two-parters double, and no doubt I’ve missed some.

I tend to watch more of Voyager than TNG on rewatches.
 
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