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I'd have been cool with that. Reed would have been my choice for a gay/bi character anyway.Malcolm Reed and Major Hayes should have both been made bisexual/curious. So that when the Major came onboard, they could have worked in a nice little sub-plot about the underlying sexual tension between the two which made their work-related conflict worse. As well as showing the tough guys on the ship were into some man-love.ENT dropped the ball by not including an openly gay male character. It was beyond time for that to happen. A Latino captain would have been cool, too. Instead they went with a very "safe" cast of characters.
I agree with both you and 005 (though I snipped 005's post for brevity), an Arab and/or Muslim starring character would have been great, too. I don't think I would have replaced Mayweather, though. As much as I liked Hoshi, I actually think I'd choose her as the Muslim/Arabic character instead.
My first thought was to replace Hoshi, but she was actually developed and they did some interesting things with her (granted that could have easily been done with an Arabic/Muslim character).
I went for Mayweather as he was a blank slate.
True. But they could use the characters background to develop him more, as well as making more of the the whole 'Boomer' thing.
I want to watch that show. That would have been brilliant.
I've got two chains of thought regarding this.
Firstly, from a production view point, I hope they introduce a non-straight character or characters and if they are or end up in a relationship, they get treated just like any other couple and them being the same gender is just a thing, neither good, nor bad, just a thing.
From an in-universe point of view, not sure it will really matter by the 24th Century and three centuries of boldly going around the cosmos.
As for an Arab character in Enterprise, who would've been killed off, written out or just mysteriously leaves in the main cast? Broken Bow was aired on 26th September 2001, it's safe to assume a fair few episodes would have been in the can by 11th September.
There has been a character with Arab ancestry in Trek before though. Although he classes himself as an English actor and his Englishness was played up more than his "arabness" in Deep Space Nine, Alexander Siddig's from The Sudan.
Firstly, from a production view point, I hope they introduce a non-straight character or characters and if they are or end up in a relationship, they get treated just like any other couple and them being the same gender is just a thing, neither good, nor bad, just a thing.
From an in-universe point of view, not sure it will really matter by the 24th Century and three centuries of boldly going around the cosmos.
As for an Arab character in Enterprise, who would've been killed off, written out or just mysteriously leaves in the main cast? Broken Bow was aired on 26th September 2001, it's safe to assume a fair few episodes would have been in the can by 11th September.
There has been a character with Arab ancestry in Trek before though. Although he classes himself as an English actor and his Englishness was played up more than his "arabness" in Deep Space Nine, Alexander Siddig's from The Sudan.
Even though Siddig is half-Sudanese, for some reason I always felt like Bashir was South Asian, not Arabic. I dunno why.
Didn't you watch Harbinger..?
Bashir's dad does play Raj's dad in The Big Bang Theory which may explain that. His mother though, if I remember what it said about the casting process for Doctor Bashir, I presume from the DS9 Companion rightly did say that it took awhile to find an appropriate actress because of the characters ethnicity.
Reed did nothing for me, but Hayes was lovely.
It's been a while since I last saw any ENT. I did always think the Reed was a bit curious--he seemed infatuated with Archer and there was definately something more going on between him and Hayes offscreenDidn't you watch Harbinger..?
Bashir's origin was never identified. In the extras on the DVD boxsets, Alexander Siddig was happy with the fact that they hadn't.
Going by ancestry.co.uk the surname Bashir is of Muslim origin.
Brian George (who played his father) was born in Israel, whilst Fadwa El Guindi (who played his mother) was born in Egypt. Add to that Siddig's Sudanese roots, and Bashir could probably trace his lineage back to anywhere in the Middle East.
Wait till you notice how often Archer gives Reed "fatherly" pats and you just know the interest goes both ways.
As as woman, I think it would be better if they were a lesbians then gay males. Having two men, is not going to change the minds with men or with women to a level as much as having two women.
Men will support two females better then two men as it does not really insults them as much. History has proven this true during the centuries.
Second, even if women are not lesbian, they can understand and support a two women lesbian couple. When on the other had, women make jokes and feel less supportive with two men. My feeling, is to get the women to accept it first then the men will come around.
True, I do not want the lesbian women on the show to look like they just worked as porn stars or at the local strip club. I would be looking for two women that have the same shape, around 5'6" to 5'10. Thin, with a chest around 32 or 34, with a cup size around B or C. But I do not want them to look like they just came from a girls track team, but I do not want them to look like a total sex object. Just a average looking females.
As you say, more tolerant with gay women than gay men. Have no problem with gay men, but, they get more jokes made with them even when it is to be postive.
It is a question of when Star Trek will have gay people. It does not help when the first gay couple are made into joke lines with say David Letterman and others even when they support the issue. It would only hurt the series if it is just made into a joke line.
If anything I think a lesbian couple would get more said about them (jokes, innuendo, etc), not to mention the gratuitous amount of fan-wank that would go on over them (some of it no doubt literally).
Trek has chickened out of having gay characters, so it should be two men that are together, just to show that it is no longer going to play it safe with dull, monotonous characters. Throw into the mix an alien Captain and a Muslim (first?) officer and let the series roll.
Sure, with both genders you are going to get jokes, innuendo, fan-wanks. Still, that does not drive Star Trek during the decades. If you are going to be putting it into history, all the stuff that goes on the internet in the long run does not matter. Yes, even this place does not matter in the long run.
What is more important, is to change the minds of the public in total.
What is more important, is to change the minds of the public in total.
Thing is, SciFi most likely can't survive on Broadcast anymore, so, a new Trek Series will almost certainly have to be on cable, which is much more Gay Friendly, so, the "Gay Thing" is unlikely to have any deliterious effects anyways, so, I don't think you need to worry about jokes or acceptance
When was the last time ABC, NBC, or CBS really spent money on any sci-fi show. Sure, but they aways wanted to nicle and dime it to a level that it was not really that interesting to watch. With syfy, their ship do not look like they are made from cardboard.
Nah, I think TNT, AMC or the Pay channels (Cinemax, Showtime or HBO) is it's most likely home. SyFy doesn't get enough viewers to pay for a show with a budget as big as Star Trek, it's tough for their shows to get over 2 or 3 million viewers. TNT gets 6 Million viewers for Falling Skies, and Star Trek would fit right in with that. AMC actually got as many as 9 Million viewers with The Walking Dead, and the scripts could be fantastic and tight
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