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I can only say what I remember reading.
Given what we know of Roddenberry, does that even remotely sound like something he would say?

Roddenberry always talked a nice game about being "enlightened". But his treatment of women was disgusting at best (read his OFFICIAL biography) and it is well known that he killed David Gerrold's ST:TNG script that featured homosexual characters (and then lied about it to Gerrold).
Yes, but in a interview he would be in "Great Bird" mode and trying to appear enlightened, progressive and wise.

Here are some quotes on the topic
 
I can only say what I remember reading.
Given what we know of Roddenberry, does that even remotely sound like something he would say?

Roddenberry always talked a nice game about being "enlightened". But his treatment of women was disgusting at best (read his OFFICIAL biography) and it is well known that he killed David Gerrold's ST:TNG script that featured homosexual characters (and then lied about it to Gerrold).

Science-fiction writer David Gerrold was with Roddenberry when he promised that Star Trek: The Next Generation (referred to by fans as TNG) would integrate LGBT characters into the series and thus drafted a script for an episode that would have had two male crew-members that were a couple, in the backdrop of an allegory about the mistreatment of people infected with AIDS. The title of this unproduced episode was "Blood and Fire." Gerrold has since said that while many of the TNG cast and crew (including Roddenberry) were supportive of the storyline, it met stiff opposition from the studio and the script never made it into production. Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Continuing Mission puts the blame on the studio: "Much of the change in perception of the script resulted from Paramount's concern that because the series was syndicated, in some markets it might air in the afternoon when younger viewers would be part of the audience." The October 1992 issue of Cinefantastique magazine laid much of the blame for the fate of the script on executive producer Rick Berman. Roddenberry publicly supported the idea of having gay characters on the show, and in internal meetings about "Blood and Fire" he is paraphrased by Herbert Wright as having said,

It's the 24th century. By that time nobody gives a shit! It's an issue of the 20th century and maybe the 19th century, but it has nothing to do with the 24th century. By that time it's your choice of whoever you want."

Yet, other fans accuse Roddenberry of hypocrisy by allowing studio executives such as Berman and Leonard Maizlish (Roddenberry's lawyer) to order rewrites of the script that removed the gay characters, and then were still nervous about the public reaction to an episode that offered a social critique of the hysteria that surrounded the AIDS epidemic. Other fans have suggested that office politics, including a labor dispute between Gerrold and Roddenberry, prevented the script from getting produced, rather than bigotry or hypocrisy on the part of Roddenberry or the studio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_Star_Trek#LGBT_in_Star_Trek



ETA: Nerys Myk beat me to it.
 
IIRC, back early in TNGs run Gene Roddenberry (back when it was not politically incorrect to suggest this) indicated that he thought homosexuals would not exist in the 24th century.

Why?

Selective abortion.

In vitro testing would be easily able to identify a fetus genetically prone to homosexuality and that the parents would choose to abort it.

Given that presumably most parents would want their children to be like them.
No, presumably, most parents would want their children to be whatever their genetics made them.
 
IIRC, back early in TNGs run Gene Roddenberry (back when it was not politically incorrect to suggest this) indicated that he thought homosexuals would not exist in the 24th century.

Why?

Selective abortion.

In vitro testing would be easily able to identify a fetus genetically prone to homosexuality and that the parents would choose to abort it.

Given that presumably most parents would want their children to be like them.
No, presumably, most parents would want their children to be whatever their genetics made them.

I was under the impression that genetic determinism was frowned upon in Star Trek.

Wasn't there a line in "The Masterpiece Society" where LaForge angrily rejected the idea?
 
IIRC, back early in TNGs run Gene Roddenberry (back when it was not politically incorrect to suggest this) indicated that he thought homosexuals would not exist in the 24th century.

Why?

Selective abortion.

In vitro testing would be easily able to identify a fetus genetically prone to homosexuality and that the parents would choose to abort it.

Given that presumably most parents would want their children to be like them.
No, presumably, most parents would want their children to be whatever their genetics made them.

I was under the impression that genetic determinism was frowned upon in Star Trek.

Wasn't there a line in "The Masterpiece Society" where LaForge angrily rejected the idea?

I get that you're just messing with us clear across the board and don't really believe this stuff, but could you make an effort to at least be consistent in your arguments?

You wrote that the ideology of the series would be that parents would review the genetic codes of potential offspring and then abort gay kids. When a poster responds to that you immediately move on to the idea that these characters wouldn't "be slaves to their genes"?

How can you believe both of those things?
 
No, presumably, most parents would want their children to be whatever their genetics made them.

I was under the impression that genetic determinism was frowned upon in Star Trek.

Wasn't there a line in "The Masterpiece Society" where LaForge angrily rejected the idea?

I get that you're just messing with us clear across the board and don't really believe this stuff, but could you make an effort to at least be consistent in your arguments?

You wrote that the ideology of the series would be that parents would review the genetic codes of potential offspring and then abort gay kids. When a poster responds to that you immediately move on to the idea that these characters wouldn't "be slaves to their genes"?

How can you believe both of those things?

Who says I believe either one? I was just commenting on what someone (I had thought Roddenberry) said about having gay characters in Star Trek.

I might've been wrong about who said it. It could've been Berman or someone else
 
The closest thing I've heard to this was a rumor that Wil Wheaton once upon a time said that he believed homosexuality had been "cured" by the 24th century, but even if I'm exactly relating what occurred I'd certainly like to think the current Wil Wheaton would regret having made such a statement.
 
The closest thing I've heard to this was a rumor that Wil Wheaton once upon a time said that he believed homosexuality had been "cured" by the 24th century, but even if I'm exactly relating what occurred I'd certainly like to think the current Wil Wheaton would regret having made such a statement.


He's very clearly a progressive and in favor of equality now. :techman:
 
ENT dropped the ball by not including an openly gay male character. It was beyond time for that to happen. A Latino captain would have been cool, too. Instead they went with a very "safe" cast of characters. :sigh:
Malcolm Reed and Major Hayes should have both been made bisexual/curious. So that when the Major came onboard, they could have worked in a nice little sub-plot about the underlying sexual tension between the two which made their work-related conflict worse. As well as showing the tough guys on the ship were into some man-love.

I always felt that being that the show premiered in the wake of 9/11 and its entire run existed in the post-9/11 world, it would have been an ideal time to have an Arab or Muslim character as a regular as well, to promote tolerance and acceptance, despite the real world politics at the time.

Opportunity: missed.
That is so true. Mayweather could have been made an Arabic/Muslim character, which would have given the role a new angle and might have given him more to say other than "aye sir". Granted, they would have lost their token black guy, but made better use of the character.
 
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