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Really? Can you give one example of racial rights being rolled back? Real ones. Has segregation begun again? Whites only water fountains and hotels?

I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, but the above is a massive untrue overstatement.
Voting rights, the Voting Rights Act was rolled back in 2012 and states controlled by Republicans immediately changed the law to prevent black from voting. They closed down polling places, made it harder to register to vote, created requirements for voting. This has recently made news in Georgia where the Republican candidate for Governor is blocking absentee ballots and new registrations from black voters. He was recently recorded saying that if everyone used their right to vote it would be a problem for him.

So yes, racial rights have been rolled back.
 
Yes, they are (I'm from Sheffield). First are the main one with Stagecoach as the second largest. However, from the first one, I got the impression he lived and worked elsewhere. He was catching the train out of there wasn't he?
I seem to remember they lived in Wakefield or Huddersfield and were taking the train home from Sheffield.
 
Is there an eye roll big enough to respond to this?



This is a very poor attempt at taking words you don't understand and trying to flip them on the person directing them at you. "NO, LOOK IT'S SEXIST TO DEFINE A ROLE AS OPEN TO BEING PLAYED BY ANYONE." For fuck's sake. What a small opinion.



It's really neat that you were able to pick up on the "racism is bad" subtext. I'm sure I've got a blue star around here somewhere... I just don't know how you can look at the world today and not see why a message like this is essential, no matter how "heavy handed" it may seem. From the RyanAir incident that happened literally the same day the episode aired to the multiple incidents in the US of black people having the police called on them for doing, basically, anything.

To be fair, there is a difference between someone being a dick on transport, and racist to boot, and an actual policy in place that enforces racism from the top down. We never had segregation here, thank god and custard creams, but when I saw the kids lining themselves into little ghettoes around school twenty years ago, I was afraid something like the modern era was coming. Let’s keep telling the white kids the black kids are bad, and keep telling the black kids the white kids are bad...out to take from you!! That will sure sow seeds of racial harmony.
The Ryanair thing was one dude being an arse, and no one working out who’s job it was to deal with it because everyone wanted to not lose money. And the outcry over it since shows that no, racism is not considered OK by society. If it was, it wouldn’t have made the news, and no one would be now jumping through hoops trying to figure out who has jurisdiction. The fact no one can figure it out also shows society didn’t think racism was ok, because no one expected such ducking behaviour to occur and so hadn’t put rules in place.
Nothing on that plane bears anything but a surface resemblance to Rosa. Put some rules in place over who does what, and stop companies running after money over peoples needs. Find the dude, fine the dude, persuade him to publicly apologise and go on some course or something. Grumpy old git rants at old lady for being old lady, throws in some racism and swearing too because he’s an arse. I can’t see Farage turning up for this one somehow.

Groups of arseholes covering their faces or waving flags? Ideologically motivated violence? Yeah. Those are real problems, and the left and right are doing that whole meeting in a circle thing which ends badly. That shit needs shutting down fast. We saw Nazi Germany and the USSR and know how that shit goes, and how fast the nutters at either end of the spectrum fast become indistinguishable from each other when they are shouting and pounding on their enemy du jour.

Now back to my Morgan Freeman ‘I’m gonna stop talking about it’ approach. People are people, no one, no one, is defined by their fucking melanin, pale or dark, and if you think they are, then you are a racist. Stopping laws that think they are is a good thing. Dividing people creates strife. Sod that for a game of soldiers. Any time you have to append a colour to someone’s skin to describe something beyond basic visual appearance of an individual ‘white folk do this’ ‘black folk do that’ you are doing something wrong. Sigh.

Sorry for rant, but all the little stuff is why we get the big stuff.
 
Really? Can you give one example of racial rights being rolled back? Real ones. Has segregation begun again? Whites only water fountains and hotels?

I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, but the above is a massive untrue overstatement.

Are you saying that in this day and age a black woman wouldn't have to give up her seat for the benefit of a white man?

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...cident-to-police-amid-criticism-over-inaction
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...cident-to-police-amid-criticism-over-inaction
 
Again, it was clearly a wooded/mountainous area some distance out of town. I don't know about the geography of the area in real life, but the intent within the story was self-explanatory -- they were outside of town and took a train to get back into town. I figured it was a commuter rail thing like the Baltimore Light Rail or the Washington, DC Metro, say.
Yeah, the confusion came from a couple of intersecting points relating to local knowledge. There are some rather rural-looking, wooded hilly parts of Sheffield itself (within the city boundaries), but those would not have been served well by a train, meaning of it was one of those parts, it would sound as if they were getting the train from Sheffield elsewhere. Anywhere else looking like that, that wasn't in Sheffield would not have been in South Yorkshire either (with Sheffield being the more hilly part of the administrative region).

On first watching, that meant that it was somewhere outside South Yorkshire or somewhere within Sheffield that wouldn't have been that well served by it's own train station going into the city centre. The fact that Yaz was called out to where Ryan was, made me think the latter, and that they had to get into town to get a train elsewhere.

It seems that isn't the case. Grace actually says the train is stopped between Hathersage and Grindleford, both of which are villages in Derbyshire, so not served by South Yorkshire police. They seem to have gotten around that by making Yaz part of a fictional "Hallamshire Police" instead. (Another line I missed).

Also, apologies for derailing the thread with something that ought to have been in the episode 1 discussion. I'm still certain it started as a discussion about bus references in this episode.
 
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To be fair, there is a difference between someone being a dick on transport, and racist to boot, and an actual policy in place that enforces racism from the top down. We never had segregation here, thank god and custard creams, but when I saw the kids lining themselves into little ghettoes around school twenty years ago, I was afraid something like the modern era was coming. Let’s keep telling the white kids the black kids are bad, and keep telling the black kids the white kids are bad...out to take from you!! That will sure sow seeds of racial harmony.
The Ryanair thing was one dude being an arse, and no one working out who’s job it was to deal with it because everyone wanted to not lose money. And the outcry over it since shows that no, racism is not considered OK by society. If it was, it wouldn’t have made the news, and no one would be now jumping through hoops trying to figure out who has jurisdiction. The fact no one can figure it out also shows society didn’t think racism was ok, because no one expected such ducking behaviour to occur and so hadn’t put rules in place.
Nothing on that plane bears anything but a surface resemblance to Rosa. Put some rules in place over who does what, and stop companies running after money over peoples needs. Find the dude, fine the dude, persuade him to publicly apologise and go on some course or something. Grumpy old git rants at old lady for being old lady, throws in some racism and swearing too because he’s an arse. I can’t see Farage turning up for this one somehow.

Groups of arseholes covering their faces or waving flags? Ideologically motivated violence? Yeah. Those are real problems, and the left and right are doing that whole meeting in a circle thing which ends badly. That shit needs shutting down fast. We saw Nazi Germany and the USSR and know how that shit goes, and how fast the nutters at either end of the spectrum fast become indistinguishable from each other when they are shouting and pounding on their enemy du jour.

Now back to my Morgan Freeman ‘I’m gonna stop talking about it’ approach. People are people, no one, no one, is defined by their fucking melanin, pale or dark, and if you think they are, then you are a racist. Stopping laws that think they are is a good thing. Dividing people creates strife. Sod that for a game of soldiers. Any time you have to append a colour to someone’s skin to describe something beyond basic visual appearance of an individual ‘white folk do this’ ‘black folk do that’ you are doing something wrong. Sigh.

Sorry for rant, but all the little stuff is why we get the big stuff.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the episode only works as a metaphor if the exact same thing that was happening in the episode is happening in reality. Is the RyanAir incident institutional segregation? No. Is it a sign of underlying issues, though? Hell yes. I'll have to dig up the statistics again, but there was a study done a few years ago on the major airlines in the US that demonstrated people of color are more likely to be asked to give up their seats on a flight than a white passenger. (i.e., the refusal of white passengers to move seats was treated as normal, expected and their right; the refusal of passengers of color was seen as obstructionist, entitled and rude). Again, it's the racist attitudes at play. Hell, there are many districts in the upcoming election where black voters are being disproportionately struck from the voting rolls. Did a Georgia court just call BS on one instance? Yep. And that's great. Is it still happening elsewhere? Yep. It's happened during our last two elections and seemingly no one is too interested in doing much about it.

The point of the episode is about the insidiousness of racism. It's not just the racist policies of the town and the bus, it's racism itself. There are multiple reasons why your "people are people" argument is something that sounds good but is really just a form of entitlement and conscious ignoring. Race is a social construct, but it's one that's been a social reality for the oppressed for a while. And that reality has ramifications that are still being felt in the US, the UK and many, many other places.
 
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the episode only works as a metaphor if the exact same thing that was happening in the episode is happening in reality. Is the RyanAir incident institutional segregation? No. Is it a sign of underlying issues, though? Hell yes. I'll have to dig up the statistics again, but there was a study done a few years ago on the major airlines in the US that demonstrated people of color are more likely to be asked to give up their seats on a flight than a white passenger. (i.e., the refusal of white passengers to move seats was treated as normal, expected and their right; the refusal of passengers of color was seen as obstructionist, entitled and rude). Again, it's the racist attitudes at play. Hell, there are many districts in the upcoming election where black voters are being disproportionately struck from the voting rolls. Did a Georgia court just call BS on one instance? Yep. And that's great. Is it still happening elsewhere? Yep. It's happened during our last two elections and seemingly no one is too interested in doing much about it.

The point of the episode is about the insidiousness of racism. It's not just the racist policies of the town and the bus, it's racism itself. There are multiple reasons why your "people are people" argument is something that sounds good but is really just a form of entitlement and conscious ignoring. Race is a social construct, but it's one that's been a social reality for the oppressed for a while. And that reality has ramifications that are still being felt in the US, the UK and many, many other places.

Entitlement?
Lol. I won’t even begin.

America is a different place to the UK. It’s history is causing its present.
That git on the Ryanair is a product of very different things. A different history causing the present.
Confusing the two is part of the problem for the UK today, because American culture and history is world pervasive through the media and Internet. That’s why we have street gangs based on the ones in America springing up, and nutty right wing fruitcakes basing themselves on something they saw in the Blues Brothers. It’s why people like Bannon are suddenly world celebrities.
Entitled?
I believe people are entitled to equality.
Start telling people that one group has something you should have, and maybe they are stopping you having it, and that’s just fermenting hate. That’s how it’s done. Tell the poor white folk the black people are getting al the council houses, tell the poor black folk the whites are taking all the jobs. Then sit back and enjoy the power rush when they fight each other to bloody death, and hate for the colour of their skin, why the ones at the top sit in their ivory towers and parcel out the farmland to whoever they like the look of, lining their pockets on the way.
I wonder what would happen if people just saw people, and stopped with silly ideas like ‘entitlement’ and ‘privilege’ which are just ways of putting a little more strife in, another way of putting a nice broad sweep across some group or another to other them, and make it OK to treat them as something deserving of less respect than yourself. My grandparents generations didn’t have shoes, depended on church handouts, got the shit bombed out of the crammed buildings they called home by the Nazis. I went to school and was friends close enough to be considered family by people whose grandparents and parents were from all over the world, and we lived in the same estates, went to the same schools...we liked the same stuff, ate and drank together, because that’s what communities do. Friends. Family.
Now we segregate in all but name, because that makes us nice easy voting blocks, demographics, statistics. Because you can make group x angry at group y with so easy a set of little insidious ideas. Usually by telling a group with very little, that another little easy to identify group...skin colour...language...religion...what have you....has more than you, and be careful, because they are taking it and have always taken it and will always take it.
Maybe they even have it easier than you, getting those things, because someone up there likes them more than your group. Maybe you can talk about how their ancestors were savages who pillaged things, or enslaved people...most every civilisation did it at some point after all, some still do in some parts of the world. So that’s a nice open goal for stirring the pot. Ring fence what’s ‘yours’, your culture, your land, anything really. Do not share. Sharing leads to taking after all.
See how easy it is?
The ‘right’ have done that to great effect at the moment, and the ‘left’ have done it too. And it’s been going on a long time, and ends badly. They just pick different groups, and each ‘side’ denigrates any grievances the other has.
And no one ever gets to stop and just be people rubbing shoulders with other people for very long before it gets stirred up again. Because it’s a nice easy route to power...through armies, through voters, through taking a street here a town there, a piece of land...for people that have power or want it badly enough.
The point in Rosa is that people don’t have to accept that. There is one massive change the story makes with graham. Now instead of being someone part of the system, or a racist, it’s someone doing something to help bring about a positive change (funnily enough, in a place and time not their own.) which is an interesting (if mostly unrelated to this reply) thing to think about. He does it because he believes in equality.
Or we can be all divisive, and say genuinely believing in equality is ‘entitlement’ and that it’s ok to make assumptions, broad sweeps, about a persons motivations, aspirations, experience, background, everything, all on the colour of their skin (which doesn’t even bloody exist online. Or used not to. No one actually ‘knows’ anything about anyone online.)

It must be said though...one thing the episode does highlight is how pervasive the evil of segregation in that time and place became, that people on the other side of the world, who have nothing to do with it, can be caught in its nasty little orbit as the world get smaller and varied cultures all get subsumed under a larger whole, difference something not to wonder at or find intriguing, but something to be stamped out or othered if we can’t use it to make money or get power.
Us sods at the bottom who try to get along do t have a hope really do we? Somethings always waiting to turn us against each other again because we look different, or smell different, or eat bacon, or bhajis, or jellied eels, or don’t eat these things. We mustn’t dare eat or wear something from another culture, we aren’t entitled to share with each other after all. Boxes are neat, and so much smaller on the inside.

End of rant. For real this time.

Be nice to each other. It’s much better.
 
Entitlement?
Lol. I won’t even begin.

America is a different place to the UK. It’s history is causing its present.
That git on the Ryanair is a product of very different things. A different history causing the present.
Confusing the two is part of the problem for the UK today, because American culture and history is world pervasive through the media and Internet. That’s why we have street gangs based on the ones in America springing up, and nutty right wing fruitcakes basing themselves on something they saw in the Blues Brothers. It’s why people like Bannon are suddenly world celebrities.
Entitled?
I believe people are entitled to equality.
Start telling people that one group has something you should have, and maybe they are stopping you having it, and that’s just fermenting hate. That’s how it’s done. Tell the poor white folk the black people are getting al the council houses, tell the poor black folk the whites are taking all the jobs. Then sit back and enjoy the power rush when they fight each other to bloody death, and hate for the colour of their skin, why the ones at the top sit in their ivory towers and parcel out the farmland to whoever they like the look of, lining their pockets on the way.
I wonder what would happen if people just saw people, and stopped with silly ideas like ‘entitlement’ and ‘privilege’ which are just ways of putting a little more strife in, another way of putting a nice broad sweep across some group or another to other them, and make it OK to treat them as something deserving of less respect than yourself. My grandparents generations didn’t have shoes, depended on church handouts, got the shit bombed out of the crammed buildings they called home by the Nazis. I went to school and was friends close enough to be considered family by people whose grandparents and parents were from all over the world, and we lived in the same estates, went to the same schools...we liked the same stuff, ate and drank together, because that’s what communities do. Friends. Family.
Now we segregate in all but name, because that makes us nice easy voting blocks, demographics, statistics. Because you can make group x angry at group y with so easy a set of little insidious ideas. Usually by telling a group with very little, that another little easy to identify group...skin colour...language...religion...what have you....has more than you, and be careful, because they are taking it and have always taken it and will always take it.
Maybe they even have it easier than you, getting those things, because someone up there likes them more than your group. Maybe you can talk about how their ancestors were savages who pillaged things, or enslaved people...most every civilisation did it at some point after all, some still do in some parts of the world. So that’s a nice open goal for stirring the pot. Ring fence what’s ‘yours’, your culture, your land, anything really. Do not share. Sharing leads to taking after all.
See how easy it is?
The ‘right’ have done that to great effect at the moment, and the ‘left’ have done it too. And it’s been going on a long time, and ends badly. They just pick different groups, and each ‘side’ denigrates any grievances the other has.
And no one ever gets to stop and just be people rubbing shoulders with other people for very long before it gets stirred up again. Because it’s a nice easy route to power...through armies, through voters, through taking a street here a town there, a piece of land...for people that have power or want it badly enough.
The point in Rosa is that people don’t have to accept that. There is one massive change the story makes with graham. Now instead of being someone part of the system, or a racist, it’s someone doing something to help bring about a positive change (funnily enough, in a place and time not their own.) which is an interesting (if mostly unrelated to this reply) thing to think about. He does it because he believes in equality.
Or we can be all divisive, and say genuinely believing in equality is ‘entitlement’ and that it’s ok to make assumptions, broad sweeps, about a persons motivations, aspirations, experience, background, everything, all on the colour of their skin (which doesn’t even bloody exist online. Or used not to. No one actually ‘knows’ anything about anyone online.)

It must be said though...one thing the episode does highlight is how pervasive the evil of segregation in that time and place became, that people on the other side of the world, who have nothing to do with it, can be caught in its nasty little orbit as the world get smaller and varied cultures all get subsumed under a larger whole, difference something not to wonder at or find intriguing, but something to be stamped out or othered if we can’t use it to make money or get power.
Us sods at the bottom who try to get along do t have a hope really do we? Somethings always waiting to turn us against each other again because we look different, or smell different, or eat bacon, or bhajis, or jellied eels, or don’t eat these things. We mustn’t dare eat or wear something from another culture, we aren’t entitled to share with each other after all. Boxes are neat, and so much smaller on the inside.

End of rant. For real this time.

Be nice to each other. It’s much better.

Ahh, the classic "The real racists are the ones talking about racism" coupled with "I've had it bad too y'know." Delightful.
 
Ahh, the classic "The real racists are the ones talking about racism" coupled with "I've had it bad too y'know." Delightful.

And I rest my case. Some nice broad assumptions there.
Mistaken, as not least, I am talking about racism right there.
I have been beaten for daring to have Black best friends, by scummy NF types. I grew up in a single parent household and read books by candlelight when the money in the meter ran out, eating half a pot noodle on toast for dinner, the other half going to my sister. I have been attacked for my skin colour, called ‘honky’ while it happens (another lovely import courtesy of a media that polishes the nasty to sell it as sexy).
So yes, the racists, are the ones who insist on using skin colour as pretext to be arseholes. And the really nasty ones are the ones that do it in groups and get power. I don’t care what colour they are...as it’s not actually that which defines them and their brand of nasty.

Despite, or perhaps because, I actually did grow up in a proper...I suppose ‘multicultural melting pot’ is the daft term for it, except this was an actual one where people mixed, not the Instagram generation version with ‘street food’, I actually do think people are just people, and when you start putting people down you piss them off and push them into exactly the disgusting situations we see proliferating now.

Precisely because people do what you just did here, and make an assumption, then through in a little jibe, start the othering, because then it’s easy to discount something someone says. Build a fiction, because real life doesn’t work well once you get past a statistic or a sound bite.

You got it wrong. How many more times will people make that same mistake?
After all, I am privileged right? Entitled even.

That’s the importance of getting something like this episode right, and characters like Graham.

Something else you got wrong...I am not under any impressions about the episode as metaphor or otherwise. I just think conflating one man being a dick on a plane with segregation in the US makes the mistake of giving one more currency than it deserves, and cheapens the other by association.

But hey...if it’s assumption day...and stereotype day....so...I guess you can’t help it, you’re American. /S
(Disclaimer: some Americans are alright.)
 
And I rest my case. Some nice broad assumptions there.
Mistaken, as not least, I am talking about racism right there.
I have been beaten for daring to have Black best friends, by scummy NF types. I grew up in a single parent household and read books by candlelight when the money in the meter ran out, eating half a pot noodle on toast for dinner, the other half going to my sister. I have been attacked for my skin colour, called ‘honky’ while it happens (another lovely import courtesy of a media that polishes the nasty to sell it as sexy).
So yes, the racists, are the ones who insist on using skin colour as pretext to be arseholes. And the really nasty ones are the ones that do it in groups and get power. I don’t care what colour they are...as it’s not actually that which defines them and their brand of nasty.

Despite, or perhaps because, I actually did grow up in a proper...I suppose ‘multicultural melting pot’ is the daft term for it, except this was an actual one where people mixed, not the Instagram generation version with ‘street food’, I actually do think people are just people, and when you start putting people down you piss them off and push them into exactly the disgusting situations we see proliferating now.

Precisely because people do what you just did here, and make an assumption, then through in a little jibe, start the othering, because then it’s easy to discount something someone says. Build a fiction, because real life doesn’t work well once you get past a statistic or a sound bite.

You got it wrong. How many more times will people make that same mistake?
After all, I am privileged right? Entitled even.

That’s the importance of getting something like this episode right, and characters like Graham.

Something else you got wrong...I am not under any impressions about the episode as metaphor or otherwise. I just think conflating one man being a dick on a plane with segregation in the US makes the mistake of giving one more currency than it deserves, and cheapens the other by association.

But hey...if it’s assumption day...and stereotype day....so...I guess you can’t help it, you’re American. /S
(Disclaimer: some Americans are alright.)
We all fit a profile and have a label on us jaime, whether we actually fit into it or not :) Pretty tiresome. Do you think that was the message Doctor Who was trying to leave us with this episode?
 
I think the message was : THIS is why we mostly end up materializing in England.

What would have been interesting, if not a complicated detour, was to look at what happened to the Asian/white relations, as soon as the TARDIS showed up and there was no language barrier for everyone in range of it's telepathic circuits.
 
I think the message was : THIS is why we mostly end up materializing in England.

What would have been interesting, if not a complicated detour, was to look at what happened to the Asian/white relations, as soon as the TARDIS showed up and there was no language barrier for everyone in range of it's telepathic circuits.
Hadn't thought about that. Would have been a braver story to examine a different combination of relations. Say Japanese/Chinese or the two Koreas, or Kiwis and Aussies ;)
 
A Big finish audio said that UNIT monitors the world press chatter constantly for reports of Universal Translation, because that's as good as they have for a TARDIS detector in the 20th/21st century, because they have to inveritably "clean" up after s/he's split.
 
I liked the episode. It feels more like a "Star Trek" and a "TNG" Trek in particular more than a "Doctor Who" but this is something I have noticed in all the episodes this season. A Sci-FI gimmick combined with a social issue plus a little character development and a little bit of investigating procedual stuff.
I would have loved to seen what Moffat would have done with this cast which is very good to great with a very compelling new Doctor who I liked from day 1 which was a first. Took me to day 2 to like Matt Smith. Also with the modern film techniques it would have been something special IMO on par with the best of his past seasons and "Sherlock" which is a show I am even a bigger fan of than "Doctor Who."
All that is wishes though. What I liked most in this story was that the bad guy was just some random racist guy from the future. I thought the guest actors were solid though not so great with the American accents but that is something that pops up from time to time in show that has people doing accents. Sometimes it works out better than other times.
I also liked how subtle the digs were at the racist. They never really went to outright insults. It was more clever stuff with word play. The Doctor in particular you could see her silently judging him without ever letting him or the towns people know she was doing it. Which is credit to the actress and her acting.

Jason
 
Solid drama. No chasing through corridors on a base. The only issue I have (besides the dodgy American accents, that can't be helped), is the research failures. That wasn't a spontaneous act, it was planned. I'm certainly glad that they didn't have the Doctor "inspiring" Mrs. Parks.
 
Just an FYI, while the headline you published for the 1948 election is very famous, Thomas Dewey was also the GOP nominee in 1944, and was defeated by FDR.
That's irrelevant pedantry. There was no erroneous headline in the earlier race, which is what Guy Gardener was referring to.
 
Like the previous episodes or the tone of the season it's very subdued. No fast paced on the edge of your seat moments(No pun intended)

As previously mentioned it does feel like Quantum Leap meets Doctor Who. It actually looked like an episode filmed in the 90's
 
I liked the episode. It feels more like a "Star Trek" and a "TNG" Trek in particular more than a "Doctor Who" but this is something I have noticed in all the episodes this season. A Sci-FI gimmick combined with a social issue plus a little character development and a little bit of investigating procedual stuff.
I would have loved to seen what Moffat would have done with this cast which is very good to great with a very compelling new Doctor who I liked from day 1 which was a first. Took me to day 2 to like Matt Smith. Also with the modern film techniques it would have been something special IMO on par with the best of his past seasons and "Sherlock" which is a show I am even a bigger fan of than "Doctor Who."
All that is wishes though. What I liked most in this story was that the bad guy was just some random racist guy from the future. I thought the guest actors were solid though not so great with the American accents but that is something that pops up from time to time in show that has people doing accents. Sometimes it works out better than other times.
I also liked how subtle the digs were at the racist. They never really went to outright insults. It was more clever stuff with word play. The Doctor in particular you could see her silently judging him without ever letting him or the towns people know she was doing it. Which is credit to the actress and her acting.

Jason

If he is a random character. It is possible he will make a return and to find out there's more than expected about him so we can hate him as much as we did the townspeople and more, the way such an epic villain needs to be felt. He did seem to recognize a TARDIS, though anyone would based on its audible hum - at least when the show was made in 1963. :)

The random character idea, if he is a one-off, is interesting. But is it well-executed? If that subplot were then more people would be giving resolute praise and not questioning his need to be in the story. A random figure with no build-up or depth just means the audience hates what he's talking about and not him - and the goal is to hate the villain. We hate what he's doing but has anybody said they hated him? Because there's no connection. Is the guy just a crackpot in terms of being a convict with a false belief or is he supposed to be more vile than the Master but acting more nuanced than the Master ever would? The story, if it was going to chuck in a character, might have helped to have enough background info and not just perceived motivation. And yet going to time periods to change only one hyperfocused aspect... the more I think of it and thank you as well for mentioning it, the more I don't dislike... but I still feel more could have been done.

The episode still had so much strength in the historical aspects it would have been better off as a straight historical. Chibnall may have been onto something with Krackhead or whatever his name was, but he wasn't that polished. But to make up for that he was way too myopic in scope. A villain should be a little stronger and the episode was already loaded with nasty townspeople, who did a far better job with the sense of palpable threat.
 
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