Meanwhile, the War Doctor said, "What is it that makes you so ashamed of being a grown-up?"
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I thought this episode sucked. I don't mind a woman Doctor but the writing needs to improve. I liked the Eccleston/Tennant/Smith Era and then things started going down hill with Capaldi. If things don't improve, they should take a 5 year break or so before the next incarnation.
Yeah, that was a very pointed question since it was him that they were ashamed of being.
Then how exactly does history change? Name six examples. No, name three. One?
And cite only real-world cases.
Dewey vs. Roosevelt.
The timeline changed, but the newspapers didn't.
The timeline changed, but the newspapers didn't.
I nudged history and that changed the last names of children's book authors who wrote about a family of bears. Turns out a decent percent of the population has ripple-proof memory. I saved Nelson Mandela and kept Sinbad from making this genie movie, saving his career.
Trust me, it got much worse originally, apocalyptically worse.
Trust me, it got much worse originally, apocalyptically worse.
And so are you... What was posturing about the episode?
Okay, so in the original timeline Jackie Kennedy died as well but Sam managed to...what Quantum Leap isn't real?
Pointing our racism is bad = posturing.
Doctor Who 11.03 'Rosa' Review
The third episode of series 11. A rather good episode, and rather topical considering the world today. Like others there was a fear that the TARDIS crew would be encouraging Rosa. But the story was more about confronting a future racist who wants to prevent Rosa's moment of defiance from occurring. Motivation? His bigotry is all the motivation he needs for what he was trying to do. However it is also about Rosa, and her fight against the system of oppression that the Deep South was built on.
Landing in Montgomery, Alabama, they quickly find themselves subject to the bigotry and prejudice of the era, when Ryan attempts to return a dropped handkerchief to a white guy. There are also the scenes in the 'whites only' motel. The Doctor's “There's no one here who has no right to be here,” to the policeman is very apt. The conversation between Yas and Ryan behind the dumpster shows that there is a long way to go in fighting ethnic and religious prejudice in all their forms. Present day Britain is still far perfect in that regard.
(As is present day Australia...) However, the TARDIS crew also find that the future racist, Krasko, was attempting to change history by preventing Rosa's protest via the butterfly effect. The efforts of the Doctor and her friends trying to counteract Krasko's efforts was well done. E.g ensuring that James Blake was driving the bus, ensuring that the bus would actually run, making sure that the bus was not blocked. Krasko was simplistic, but he didn't need to be. The focus was where it should be, on the Doctor ensuring that history would play out.
The pivotal scene where Rosa remains seated and Blake calls the police was done very well indeed. Showing the bigotry of Blake opposed by Rosa's defiance in a way that in unmistakeable. The pain of the Doctor and her friends having to witness this moment in history was done rather well also. The only misstep may be the song over the end credits, but an episode well worth seeing. 9.25/10.
The third episode of series 11. A rather good episode, and rather topical considering the world today. Like others there was a fear that the TARDIS crew would be encouraging Rosa. But the story was more about confronting a future racist who wants to prevent Rosa's moment of defiance from occurring. Motivation? His bigotry is all the motivation he needs for what he was trying to do. However it is also about Rosa, and her fight against the system of oppression that the Deep South was built on.
Landing in Montgomery, Alabama, they quickly find themselves subject to the bigotry and prejudice of the era, when Ryan attempts to return a dropped handkerchief to a white guy. There are also the scenes in the 'whites only' motel. The Doctor's “There's no one here who has no right to be here,” to the policeman is very apt. The conversation between Yas and Ryan behind the dumpster shows that there is a long way to go in fighting ethnic and religious prejudice in all their forms. Present day Britain is still far perfect in that regard.
(As is present day Australia...) However, the TARDIS crew also find that the future racist, Krasko, was attempting to change history by preventing Rosa's protest via the butterfly effect. The efforts of the Doctor and her friends trying to counteract Krasko's efforts was well done. E.g ensuring that James Blake was driving the bus, ensuring that the bus would actually run, making sure that the bus was not blocked. Krasko was simplistic, but he didn't need to be. The focus was where it should be, on the Doctor ensuring that history would play out.
The pivotal scene where Rosa remains seated and Blake calls the police was done very well indeed. Showing the bigotry of Blake opposed by Rosa's defiance in a way that in unmistakeable. The pain of the Doctor and her friends having to witness this moment in history was done rather well also. The only misstep may be the song over the end credits, but an episode well worth seeing. 9.25/10.
I agree, I'm not sure why it's posturing but that's the inference.
Everyone is a little bit racist.
My girlfriend in Canada loves that tune.
Just an FYI, while the headline you published for the 1948 election is very famous, Thomas Dewey was also the GOP nominee in 1944, and was defeated by FDR.
As for the episode, it was ok. I'm finding a couple of episodes in, that this new Doctor is meh. It's very clear that they wanted to force a woman on the audience, but she is nothing special. She's not bad. But she's not knocking it out of the park like a David Tenant or a Christopher Eccleston, or even a Matt Smith.
I guess working in their favor is that with the exception of a line here and there, the same lines could be read by a man. They aren't overdoing it like a CW show would.
I haven't been overwhelmed or underwhelmed. It is what it is. This episode was desperately trying to be "a special episode," but I think it over-revered Rosa Parks, who did a very brave thing and had a tremendous impact, but should not be deified like this episode kind of did. What was fascinating was how the villain and the heroes worked behind the scenes to disrupt and to save the timeline as they did.
It was a good timey wimey story and I give them that.
In regards to the song "Rise Up" is the "unofficial" anthem of #BlackLivesMatter. Hence the reason for it's usage.
Well, after forcing a man on the audience for 50 years, the BBC thought it was time to force a woman on the audience.
No one is forcing anyone to watch a TV show.
I'm still liking Jodi as the Doctor but the heavy handed "racism is bad" message got really old, really fast.
Someone else referred to this episode as "Quantum Leap" and I can't argue with that.
The bad guy was just the evil "mirror universe" version of Captain Jack.
More bus stuff! WTF!
Does Chibnall owe a bus driver some money?
Still waiting for a good, whiz-bang episode that makes me say "Now that's Doctor Who!"
Someone else referred to this episode as "Quantum Leap" and I can't argue with that.
The bad guy was just the evil "mirror universe" version of Captain Jack.
More bus stuff! WTF!
Does Chibnall owe a bus driver some money?
Still waiting for a good, whiz-bang episode that makes me say "Now that's Doctor Who!"
Sadly, in the US, it seems that's been forgotten. It bears repeating from time to time it seems.