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Spoilers Rosa grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Rosa?

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Tetragillis said:
I changed my mind.

I still love this episode and wouldn't change my score but I feel it could have been told without Krasko. There was really no need at all for a villain.
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Well you kind of need some kind of reason to get the Who Crew involved. Otherwise history would unfold just like it did and they would have no reason to get involved. Plus it's a Sci-Fi show so you do needed that Sci-Fi angle as well. I think I might have made one change though. Instead of the far future what if the guy was from the 1950's. Somehow got hold of the time travel device, went to the future and got a glimpse of the end result of the civil rights movement and then returns to his time in order to change it. Instead of being sent to the past as punishment at the end he is actually sent to a future where his behavior is no longer accepted.

Jason
 
Tetragillis said:
I changed my mind.

I still love this episode and wouldn't change my score but I feel it could have been told without Krasko. There was really no need at all for a villain.
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His tech is what brought them to Earth.

Yeah, his motive was pretty run-of-the-mill "change history/time travel" stuff...but if he wasn't there, there would have been no reason for The Doctor and her friends to be there either.
 
Tetragillis said:
I changed my mind.

I still love this episode and wouldn't change my score but I feel it could have been told without Krasko. There was really no need at all for a villain.
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He's the entire reason the episode happened, without him there would be no reason for them to be there.
 
If we see Krasko again, what I'm about to say will probably go out the window, but... he's a crap villain with a crap plan and that may well be the point. A lot of the people who get arrested for racist violence are dumb and petty people doing stupid things. Krasko could have just killed Rosa Parks a week before the famous bus ride, but he's a walking Dunning-Kruger affect as applied to a racist criminal villain, at least in this episode.

This is a pretty confusing thread, over all, though, what with a lot of you replying to a lot of invisible posts. Good workout for the ignore filter, though.
 
Jayson1 said:
Well you kind of need some kind of reason to get the Who Crew involved. Otherwise history would unfold just like it did and they would have no reason to get involved. Plus it's a Sci-Fi show so you do needed that Sci-Fi angle as well. I think I might have made one change though. Instead of the far future what if the guy was from the 1950's. Somehow got hold of the time travel device, went to the future and got a glimpse of the end result of the civil rights movement and then returns to his time in order to change it. Instead of being sent to the past as punishment at the end he is actually sent to a future where his behavior is no longer accepted.

Jason
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That would have made far more sense to me. This guy origin in the future, however many generations away, that level of narrow minded, parochial even, thinking, just doesn’t tally with either the real world changes we might expect or hope to see in the next few thousand years, or the future world Dr Who has shown us previously.

It’s entirely subjective, but the bad guy motives were the weakest part for me.
 
Steve Roby said:
Krasko could have just killed Rosa Parks a week before the famous bus ride
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No, he couldn't:

DOCTOR: And it was nasty enough that Stormcage placed a neural restrictor in your brain before releasing you back into the universe.
KRASKO: How can you know that? Who are you?
DOCTOR: Very good scanner, this. I thought I detected it the first time we met, and then it started to make sense, cos we were wondering, you've obviously got a problem with Rosa, why don't you just kill her? But the answer is, because you can't. Neural restrictor means you can't kill or injure any living thing. It stops you from doing it, no matter how much you want to try.​
http://www.chakoteya.net/DoctorWho/37-3.html
 
Christopher said:
No, he couldn't:

DOCTOR: And it was nasty enough that Stormcage placed a neural restrictor in your brain before releasing you back into the universe.
KRASKO: How can you know that? Who are you?
DOCTOR: Very good scanner, this. I thought I detected it the first time we met, and then it started to make sense, cos we were wondering, you've obviously got a problem with Rosa, why don't you just kill her? But the answer is, because you can't. Neural restrictor means you can't kill or injure any living thing. It stops you from doing it, no matter how much you want to try.​
http://www.chakoteya.net/DoctorWho/37-3.html
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Oh, yeah, right. Still, there were a lot of things considerably less subtle than interfering with the bus that he could have done.
 
I do wonder, if the whole reason that Graham was written as a bus driver was for his role in this episode.

Doesn’t matter. It’s given me a unique opportunity to write a fanfic that combines my love of Dr Who, and the old Leyland DAB articulated buses operated in Sheffield. Thank you Chibbers!
 
Judge Death said:
Amazed this only got an AI of 83...
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The AIs are always difficult to predict. Some of the eps I consider top-drawer from the RTD and Moff eras only got lower 80s. I think the audience is either more jaded these days or less willing to strongly commit to something. Or we're more polarised so the average is being dragged down by naysayers being more willing to score "utter crap!" than "meh, okay".
 
Tuskin38 said:
He's the entire reason the episode happened, without him there would be no reason for them to be there.
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Yes there needed to be a time traveller or alien presence in order for the Doctor to stay and investigate, but that's it. The motivation for Krasko's presence needn't have had anything to do with Rosa and the fact that he disrupted events could have been completely coincidental, even completely under his radar
 
Evil Headhunter said:
I've never fully grasped AI (but honestly, same for Neilsen ratings...). How is it calculated?
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The same families that agree to have BARB boxes in their house (similar to Neilsen boxes in the US) score the ep out of 10 for appreciation... multiply average by 10 = AI score. AIs of 80+ are considered good, but the show used to pull in high 80s/low 90s back when NuWho started so the naysayers will always claim lower AIs mean the audience is getting tired. Despite them having hovered around the 81-85 mark since Smith.
 
Mytran said:
Yes there needed to be a time traveller or alien presence in order for the Doctor to stay and investigate, but that's it. The motivation for Krasko's presence needn't have had anything to do with Rosa and the fact that he disrupted events could have been completely coincidental, even completely under his radar
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But that would taken away from the message of the episode, the point that racism is never a permanently "solved" problem but is something that will always have to be fought, even in the far future. If you look at the white nationalist groups committing open terrorism in the US today, and at the like-minded media pundits and politicians and shock jocks, the thing that unites them is a desire to undo all the progress of the civil rights movement, to turn things back to the 1950s or even the 1850s. There are still people who want black people to be enslaved, still people who want Jews to be exterminated. Their overriding drive is to go backward, to undo progress -- to turn back time. Krasko and his racist motivation to do just that was absolutely vital to the story, because he represents something real and actively dangerous, something that's erupted into open terrorism in the US multiple times this week alone. So removing him or having him just change things by accident would've massively undermined the statement this episode was making.
 
Just watched the episode, and loved it. A solid reminder to those of us living in times where the rights we cherish for ourselves and for others do not stay on their own merits, but must be nudged along, to keep them where they should be, rather than pushed slowly towards the back of the bus by those who would rather we forget.

Side note: Jodie is now my favorite Doctor.
 
Is it me or is Jodie channeling classic Doctor Who. She feels like a mix of the past and present like a mix of 3, 4, and 11
 
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