Production Starts video

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Khan 2.0, Jan 31, 2017.

  1. Timo

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    It's basically a matter of level of detail: in the 2000s, you can afford more than in the 1980s or the 1960s. The armor above is generically "intensive", but could come from Superman or Warcraft just as well as from ENT.

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  2. Jedman67

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    @Timo this new incarnation of trek has to appeal to a brand new audience, many of who will have only the most passing knowledge of star trek. So the production values need to be modern. The aesthetics should complement previous shows to some degree, but also needs to make its own identity.
     
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  3. Captain of the USS Averof

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    I sure hope that's not the case. Leave that generic looking ship in video games where it belongs. It's great for a secondary/background ship (which it is) but not for a hero ship which needs enough character to stand out for a new TV show. That's a very common design we've seen a million times before.

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  4. sojourner

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    More importantly, the new production has to stand up to 4k scrutiny. Things that would have been impossible to see back in the old 480p days will stick out like a sore thumb today.
     
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  5. INACTIVEUSS Einstein

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    Looks like a cross between the away team jacket from The Cage and the DOOP uniform from Futurama - I love it - retro, faithful, everything about it it right.

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  6. jefferiestubes8

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    Actually according to the screenshot of the CGI ship[​IMG]
    It is the same monitor overlay as the Arri Alexa camera.
    see other shots from other productions using the industry-standard Arri Alexa (XT or Classic) camera . Here:1 & 2.
    The first link says "A look through the Alexa 65 EVF" which looks almost identical.
    We see the Monitor is displaying LOG-C Gamma setting and the Electronic Viewfinder is using a Rec.709 LUT (Look-up Table) .
    They are shooting at the industry-standard cinematic frame rate of 23.976 fps and we are looking at Camera "A" and it is recording.
    They are filming in UHD [Ultra-high-definition television also known as Ultra HD]
    which is 3.2k SYS which would be Apple ProRes codec. Since we saw the clapper slate of the Visual FX at the start of the video this may be a Visual FX-only camera shooting footage for use in monitors on the bridge to be used in-frame of actors while they are actually shooting a scene.
    I'd like to see a behind-the-scenes monitor-shot of live-action actors to confirm all is being shot at 3.2k UHD resolution.

    So it is safe to say all cameras are probably shooting in the same resolution for a UHD deliverable. I do wonder if they will use some an Arri ALEXA 65 a large format camera with 6.5K resolution which is what Rogue One: A Star Wars Story was shot on for some Trek DSC Visual FX work?
     
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  7. Jedman67

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    That's true but not really relevant to the point I was making. The USS Defiant bridge in ENT is a good example - they essentially rebuilt the old TOS bridge the way it should have looked if they'd had a better budget and were building it for HD.
     
  8. Jedman67

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    @jefferiestubes8 why would they need to film VFX elements rather then render them straight to video, if it's being (presumably) inserted into a screen "in-frame"? unless it's for a "zoom into the display" shot?
     
  9. sojourner

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    Sooo, basically you're agreeing with me?
     
  10. jefferiestubes8

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    Yes I do not know why they would need to shoot CG with a camera at all. This is why I'd like to see live-action being shot with the camera and see a behind-the-scenes shot of the monitor from that.

    sojourner yes agreed. 4k UHD is what I expect from CBS for this series. I would prefer if they shot in higher resolution for more options in post production.
     
  11. Rahul

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    Eh. You misunderstood me. I like the basic shape of the Discovery just fine. It has character.
    it's the execution that sucks. Hard. She looks alright from the top. But basically from every angle where you can see her from below her belly she looks like crap. This needs fixing. Wether it's more details, more curves, less brutalistic edges, less blank surface, I don't know. As it stands, the Discovery looks like she belongs into a saturday afternoon Disney cartoon. The "other" ship not.
    From her basic shape I like the Discovery more than the other ship. But what we saw in the teaser and at Comic Con was unfinished crap. This new John Eaves ship has less "character", but the CGI model already looks a lot more "finished" than the Discovery - despite lacking texture and everything.
    Thing is - they need to make the Discovery look better. Not rework her from scratch or anything - I like the basic shape and design - but currently, she looks like crap.
     
  12. mos6507

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    Seems that the general sentiment when the Discovery came out was that the basic shape of a triangular hull invariably leads to ugly designs, period. If they redesign Discovery they should drop the triangle and go for something more conventional.
     
  13. saddestmoon

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    I love the triangular secondary hull! :D

    I think the design they have is perfectly fine for the hero ship of this series - and looks great in the pantheon of trek hero ships that have come before it.

    I soooooo desperately want a model / diecast version of this!!!
     
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  14. Noname Given

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    I'm surprised no one linked the video:
     
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  15. Mage

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    Ok, this has been explained several times online already....
    What we've seen of the Discovery sofar, is not set in stone. The teaser we saw, was a rushjob mesh of a work in progress design. People still don't get this. It wasn't the final design.
     
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  17. Rahul

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    Yeah. I know. It's literally in every thread about the ship here.
    Still. They specifically showed us the old design. The crappy one. And it weren't stills from the original teaser either, it was specifically crafted angles of the crappy design. Not "final". But the current interation. It's not set in stone. But how much they will actually change it is still up in the air. If this new video is any indication, they didn't change it too much. Which is a shame. Because again: this current design (of which we have now multiple sources) sucks. Hard. And they need to rework it. Not the basic shape itself. But pretty much everything around it. And even the basic shape when it comes to it's 'under-belly'.
     
  18. Serveaux

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    It's not at all a given that the stills are of the current iteration. They may, however, be the only printed stills of the ship that were on display at the time that shot was recorded - and we don't know when that was. We don't, in fact, know when the video that was shot of the far-from-completed "Klingon" set under construction was shot - that's not necessarily within the last few weeks. We can assume that the shot with the clapper on a fully lit stage set was shot within the last week.
     
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  19. Gepard

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    They may, indeed, be deliberately hiding the current incarnation of the ship so as to reveal it later.
     
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  20. Mark_Nguyen

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    I'd just like it to LOOK like the era it's from, even if the era itself has been updated to 2017 standard. That is, when we inevitably see Discovery flying in formation next to the TOS Enterprise, that they both look like they're part of the same fleet beyond happening to share the general shapes.

    That second ship - very, VERY Eaves-esque. Nothing specifically wrong with that, but if that ship will be seen on screen, unless it has a very TOS-ish paint job it would look out of place. The Discovery (as we know her today) is IMO less incongruous next to the TOS Enterprise, but still not like they were part of the same organization in the same era.

    Mark