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We know he was mummified because in the episode "Firstborn" his head was on display for a fee of 50 darseks per person!
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We know he was mummified because in the episode "Firstborn" his head was on display for a fee of 50 darseks per person!
The uniform shot reminds me of the field jacket from The Cage, almost like a precursor.
I think (and hope) that the uniform we got a glimpse of is a dress uniform, however nice it looks, since I'm a fan of the The Cage/WNMHGB look and is hoping for an updated version of those. Could do without the split in the badge as well.
Otherwise I'm a little bit excited.
Otherwise I'm a little bit excited.
Maybe it's Kahless's ship. They state that one of the Klingons is trying to unite the houses. Maybe to that end he tries to retrieve K's body as a symbol? cloning material? "He'll return in their hour of need" to unite his people ala TNG 'Rightful Heir'. Starfleet partnering with them to make sure they succeed and the Klingons don't end up destabilizing the quad makes sense. Also the funereal ship might be in an unexplored location allowing exploration along the way. Status quo Klingons probably would be hunting them. Starfleet disavows, assigns Section 31 to administer.
Looks like we're not seeing any changes in Discovery herself yet. Those shots seem to be the same from the teaser with the heavy warm tones removed. I doubt we'll see it with the changes until we're much closer to airdate. The NX is maybe Michelle Yoh's ship?
Dress uniforms looked nice. Too much gold to be anything but a dress, or even Admiral's dress uniform. But it speaks to bright colors and ENT "regular clothing" style.
The Klingon interior, if it is that, looks really cool.
Looks like we're not seeing any changes in Discovery herself yet. Those shots seem to be the same from the teaser with the heavy warm tones removed. I doubt we'll see it with the changes until we're much closer to airdate. The NX is maybe Michelle Yoh's ship?
Dress uniforms looked nice. Too much gold to be anything but a dress, or even Admiral's dress uniform. But it speaks to bright colors and ENT "regular clothing" style.
The Klingon interior, if it is that, looks really cool.
looks like a number of movie-era design cues, notably the wireframe's ship's nacelles, its hull, carries forward the design elements from the Akira and NX
A nacelles-down NX-01 was an inevitable addition to the selection of Starfleet ships - and they did that a decade ago, with the Poseidon class ship from the Legacy video game.
The exact angle of the pylons, the mid-wing spikes, and the shape of the nacelles here are all Eaves influences, familiar from his ST:FC work already, but obviously there are only so may ways in which you can put together a recognizable starship, and when you use an NX-01 saucer, this is what you get.
Hopefully, not the Shenzhou. I mean, it's bad enough to have the TNG era cluttered with Mirandas; a ship a hundred years out of date should be a historical reference, a derelict, a timejump victim, but not an in-service asset. Pretty please.
Interesting that the set plan for the Discovery bridge seems to omit a turbolift. Otherwise, it's the Kelvin layout, with an adjoining corridor plus a side branch - a fairly limiting corridor arrangement, but necessary if the transition from Bridge scenes to Corridor scenes is to be achieved without Turbolift cuts.
Loving the chair! I hope they haven't distanced the actual ship too far from that design aesthetic...
Timo Saloniemi
The exact angle of the pylons, the mid-wing spikes, and the shape of the nacelles here are all Eaves influences, familiar from his ST:FC work already, but obviously there are only so may ways in which you can put together a recognizable starship, and when you use an NX-01 saucer, this is what you get.
Hopefully, not the Shenzhou. I mean, it's bad enough to have the TNG era cluttered with Mirandas; a ship a hundred years out of date should be a historical reference, a derelict, a timejump victim, but not an in-service asset. Pretty please.
Interesting that the set plan for the Discovery bridge seems to omit a turbolift. Otherwise, it's the Kelvin layout, with an adjoining corridor plus a side branch - a fairly limiting corridor arrangement, but necessary if the transition from Bridge scenes to Corridor scenes is to be achieved without Turbolift cuts.
Loving the chair! I hope they haven't distanced the actual ship too far from that design aesthetic...
Timo Saloniemi
At this point I think they are messing with us for the Discovery design. With awesome looking sets and uniforms and great looking new ship, there is no way Discovery will remain like that. It's probably pre production photos or just early concept photos.
And it's no wonder. They are likely keeping main ship - Discovery - a secret until the first episode goes online.
And it's no wonder. They are likely keeping main ship - Discovery - a secret until the first episode goes online.
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I'm wondering if the split in the Starfleet badge is exclusive to a small number of personnel, intelligence perhaps? Not S31 necessarily, but a crack-crew of specialists...
It's a pretty specific alteration of a well-known symbol, what exactly does it represent?
It's a pretty specific alteration of a well-known symbol, what exactly does it represent?
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None of the shows so far has tried to subsist on borrowed aesthetics. They create their own style of starships, and (budgets allowing) extend it to ships other than the hero one. Even the ones taking place concurrently (TNG, DS9, VOY) tried their damnedest to do that. Alas, early TNG failed spectacularly there, having to reintroduce TOS movie shooting models even though TPTB hoped against hope that they could introduce new stuff.
Using the ENT aesthetic in a central role in DIS sounds massively counterproductive. It's a different century, it should be a different world. Ships of the readily identifiable ENT lineage appearing should indicate age rather than concurrency! Unless it's a story point that the Shenzou is an old ship and therefore no match for the hero (antihero?) vessel - nothing wrong with story points. But then one wonders why the hero/antihero ship isn't being challeged by something more up to date.
Worse still if the hero ship borrows its aesthetics wholesale from another spinoff, a century out of date... That's nothing short of creative bankruptcy. Just think how stupid it would look today - say, with the NYPD having one of its heroes drive a 1953 Packard instead of a 2010s cruiser, no explanation given other than "it was made well, of course it still runs". Or with the USAF operating a pair of Mustangs in intercept jobs alongside F-16s, no explanation given other than "with modern manufacturing techniques, it's no problem keeping them flying". Or is this actively trying to be Star Trek: Matlock (another slight if frightening possibility)?
Timo Saloniemi
Using the ENT aesthetic in a central role in DIS sounds massively counterproductive. It's a different century, it should be a different world. Ships of the readily identifiable ENT lineage appearing should indicate age rather than concurrency! Unless it's a story point that the Shenzou is an old ship and therefore no match for the hero (antihero?) vessel - nothing wrong with story points. But then one wonders why the hero/antihero ship isn't being challeged by something more up to date.
Worse still if the hero ship borrows its aesthetics wholesale from another spinoff, a century out of date... That's nothing short of creative bankruptcy. Just think how stupid it would look today - say, with the NYPD having one of its heroes drive a 1953 Packard instead of a 2010s cruiser, no explanation given other than "it was made well, of course it still runs". Or with the USAF operating a pair of Mustangs in intercept jobs alongside F-16s, no explanation given other than "with modern manufacturing techniques, it's no problem keeping them flying". Or is this actively trying to be Star Trek: Matlock (another slight if frightening possibility)?
Timo Saloniemi
That's what prequels usually are ... I wish they had gone forward instead of making yet another prequel, but let's see how it turns out.
In comparison, ENT did manage to create its own aesthetic, or at least didn't borrow from past/future hero ships as such.
But DIS is a balancing act because it dovetails into a well-established era and aesthetic just a decade into its fictional run. We have to get something familiar, but it has to be familiar from TOS, not from ENT. Which is a bit of a problem if one thinks that new audiences prefer "new" aesthetics, as in "from this millennium of TV production".
Timo Saloniemi
But DIS is a balancing act because it dovetails into a well-established era and aesthetic just a decade into its fictional run. We have to get something familiar, but it has to be familiar from TOS, not from ENT. Which is a bit of a problem if one thinks that new audiences prefer "new" aesthetics, as in "from this millennium of TV production".
Timo Saloniemi
ENT didn't borrow from future hero ships? What? That has to be the joke of the day (don't get me wrong, I like the NX-01 design, but it just scream Akira, and let's not talk about some of the Klingon ships that look far more better than the ones from TNG/DS9).
And if this ship is the Shenzhou or the Discovery (I really hope they will stick with the other Discovery design that was at Comic Con, I just love it and I hope this new ship is the Shenzhou) fact is that it looks more advanced than the NX-01 but I think it fits well the timeline. It is an evolution of the NX-01 design, and it is a plausible evolution for about 90 years in the future of the NX-01
New Ships, New Uniforms, New Aliens (I think). Huzzah!
I sure as Hell hope so! I would love to see some proto-form vessel designs of the more current ones we all know.
Agreed. In fact, I'd rather like a story where Starfleet sends a ship like the Shenzou, perhaps looking like that wireframe model, to go after the Discovery once mainstream SF learns of what Section 31 is doing... a story revolving around a cat and mouse game with the interjection of a Klingon presence, spanned over a season or so could be interesting.
There is a very good reason why the NX-01 looks the way it does, so reminiscent of an Akira.. it's been discussed and beat to death, by the ship designer himself no less. TPTB WANTED to use an upside down Akira.. and Doug Drexler did his damnedest to make it less Akira and more unique, yet still acceptable to Paramount. On the other hand, much like the 2005 Mustang and 2010 Camaro, the Dodge Challenger, et al brought back the "retro" car designs... it's not a stretch to think that perhaps the Akira class was a "retro" design for a modern vessel.
There's only so much you can do with a couple of nacelles with a saucer shape up front.
And when you do, it should be made to count. To get the TOS feel, you use "TOS parts". To get the ENT feel, you use "ENT parts". To get the TNG feel, etc. "The parts" are well established - the distinct saucers (the surface smoothness, the color, the curves, the cant of the edge, the number and shape of portholes), the distinct nacelles (cross section, number and shape of transparent/glowing bits, shape and color of them ramscoop dome thingies), the distinct registry font and pennant art. To use TNG parts for TOS is simply an error.
If DIS does this ENT-looking ship, it's weirdly out of place for a show that should be doing something closer to TOS (although preferably its own thing). Then again, much of the Eaves stuff skirts uncomfortably close to looking distinctly TNG, even in the ENT context. But there's no trace of Eaves in the so far released design of the Discovery...
Timo Saloniemi
If DIS does this ENT-looking ship, it's weirdly out of place for a show that should be doing something closer to TOS (although preferably its own thing). Then again, much of the Eaves stuff skirts uncomfortably close to looking distinctly TNG, even in the ENT context. But there's no trace of Eaves in the so far released design of the Discovery...
Timo Saloniemi
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