Production Order Group Viewing 2018

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  1. ssosmcin

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    Check the end credits of the episode: "Andrea Dromm as Yeoman Smith"

    In the unaired version, she's listed simply as "Ship's Yeoman."

    Anyways, that's why. :)
     
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  2. Shawnster

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    Thanks. I sorta go back and forth. It's like I break my own personal 4th wall.
     
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  3. Poltargyst

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    Corbomite Maneuver

    Funny that this episode didn't air until 10th. It definitely looks like a early episode.

    Spock is still kind of shouty. "No need to raise your voice, Mr. Bailey." Heh. Look who's talking, Mr. "THE WOMEN!" Spock.

    Spock is also kind of sweaty. Actually, they're all sweaty. Even before the tension starts. Life support issue?

    I like the little character moments. Kirk and Spock talking. "Why do you ask me when you already know what you're going to do?" Sharing a smile. Spock is also kind of smiley early on here. Nice to see little moments between Kirk and Spock and Kirk and McCoy throughout the episode.

    Dang it, Rand, now I'll never know what Kirk was going to do with the extra 6 minutes.

    Spock's mass reading goes off the scale? Can't he measure the mass of stars? The Fesarius isn't more massive than a star, is it?

    Geez, McCoy, you have 3 minutes to live, and you're bitching about Bailey? Sometimes I'd like to punch McCoy in the face.

    Great bluff that Corbomite Manuever. Here we learn that Kirk has gigantic balls.

    And we learn that Spock's father is the one who married a human.

    Ok, cast, the ship is going through a strain. On my signal, everyone run into the wall! Now, run into the other wall!

    I always admired Kirk's sense of mercy and compassion, something missing in NuKirk I think, going back to help Balok who had threatened to kill them.

    First phaser 1 sighting?

    Oh, hello, Ron Howard's brother!

    Drink your tranya. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Clever of Kirk to find a way to get rid of Bailey like that. ;)

    A good, tension and character moment filled episode.
     
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  4. ZapBrannigan

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    The only thing I would change about Corbomite is the blaring sound effect that Balok uses to menace the bridge crew. It's repetitive.
     
  5. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Unless they had a personal history?

    Would you say he's a hypocrite, or overly sensitive to people who make the same mistake he did?
     
  6. mb22

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    Gary seems a bit of a jerk, He's a little bit mean to Spock - no worse than Kirk. He makes sexist remarks. Yet Kirk and Kelso like him and if Kirk's known him for years then I can't believe Kirk's that bad a judge of character.

    In the unaired version, he's also shown making funny gestures behind Smith.

    (around 5:06)
     
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  7. Archivist13

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    The Corbomite Maneuver is an excellent episode in my opinion. I know we are only 3 episodes in, but this has to be one of the classics, right?

    Being that I am new to the series I could be wrong, but is this one of the few episodes where somebody doesn't get killed?

    The change of strategy from chess to poker was great. The fact that sometimes you cant simply think 4 moves in the future, but have to gamble, makes the situation much more intriguing and suspenseful.

    Clint Howard was only 7 years old during his portrayal as Balok. Apparently his balled head has been a lifelong thing.

    I enjoyed the Bailey story line. He showed some real human frailty.
     
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  8. Mytran

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    I've only ever seen the dodgy VHS transfer footage of this episode before. It's great to see it in such clarity!
     
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  9. Poltargyst

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    I'm having fun watching these episodes starting with the pilots as if they are all part of the same continuity and intended to be so. I suspect, though, that the writers weren't counting the pilots as the same continuity and they had different ideas on what Spock's personality should be once the series got going. So he went from a highly emotional guy in The Cage to a more reserved guy in CM. I'm making a joke pretending that they were meant to be the same continuity. In CM, I think he is reserved and logical and not yet used to being among humans despite how long he has worked with them, so he doesn't understand human behavior and wonders why humans don't act like he does. It seems in CM, Spock raises his voice to give information or orders, but doesn't seem as emotional as in The Cage.
     
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  10. Mytran

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    I am breaking the timeline a bit, but since it is about 14 years from The Cage to Amok Time I tend to rationalise that Spock was experienced some pre-Pon Farr emotional control issues during his first visit to Talos IV
     
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    I like Corbomite because everything is settling down. McCoy. The uniforms. The eqiupment. The bridge. It's really like a third-try pilot.

    I love all the bridge scenes and tension. Scotty's line to Sulu about him being annoyingly punctual is great.
     
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  14. Mytran

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    Thanks, I will have to give that book a read. From the little I skimmed through it seemed like quite a page turner...er down scroller?

    Really this. It's why the first half of season 1 (if nothing else) really needs to be viewed in production order.
     
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  15. Archivist13

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    Question and advice request. So, this thread has started out amazingly well, and thank you to all that have been contributing! While I think having a week to discuss each episode is good, I find myself wanting to watch more Star Trek than one a week. I also find being able to discuss the episodes is much more fun than watching them on my own. So my question is: Would anybody recommend watching either Enterprise or The Next Generation series at the same time as The Original Series? I watched the first season of Enterprise awhile back but have not seen any of The Next Generation. Also, would anybody be interested in joining in if I started a thread on one of those other two boards that followed the same weekly episode discussion only for that series? Thoughts?
     
  16. Shawnster

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    Before this topic was started, I was working my way through DS9 and VOY somewhat in production/air order. Somewhat. I am alternating between the two series. Currently I'm on DS9 S06E26 Tears of the Prophets and VOY S05E02 Drone.

    So go ahead and watch some other additional Trek if you want. You aren't the only one.

    And now... On with this week's TOS episode.

    When someone said the only consistent thing in life is change, they may have had Star Trek in mind. Episode 3 and they are still changing the bridge, the uniforms, and the crew. It's feeling like I'm watching B-5 Crusade all over again. I really hope they calm down on the changes after this episode.

    What happened to Smith? or was her name Jones? Yet another new Yeoman. Colt, Smith/Jones, and now Rand. Is this the guest star of the week role? Oh, and a new communications officer. Hope we see more of her!

    Does McCoy know Kirk prior to this episode or not? I mean, I know he wasn't on the previous 2 episodes, but they could have a history together the way Kirk and Mitchell did. I'm kinda going back and forth on this idea they knew each other previously.

    Is it an Earthship policy that the doctor must be the captain's bartender? Boyce and Pike and now McCoy and Kirk.

    Definitely an exciting episode. And a huge ship controlled by remote control from that little craft? What a neat idea. And using a kid to play an alien is a nice idea. Where can I get me some Tranya?

    LOL Spock still shouting orders. And he has a dark sense of humor. At least I hope he was being sarcastic about removing Bailey's adrenal gland.

    I think they need seatbelts on that ship.

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    Commodore's log, supplemental. There was a "Strange New Worlds" short story that revisited Corbomite Maneuver. In the story Bailey was begging to come back to the Enterprise because Balok was annoying and talked non-stop. If I'm remembering correctly.

    In a rare nod to continuity, we'll hear about Corbomite again.
     
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  17. Marsden

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    Before talking about The Corbomite Maneuver, I want to mention one more thing about Where No Man Has Gone Before, that speech Kirk was making about what a person keeps inside that he never dares to show really reminded me of The Enemy Within. I doubt it inspired it, but it's certainly a spooky foreshadowing of his own problems in that episode.

    On with the show. Mr. Spock is still shouting his orders, but only towards the beginning. I'm wondering if Mr. Nimoy was thinking about being on a 3 masted frigate in the high wind, barking out orders so the crew could hear him. I think he must have changed his mind and went with a more reasonable volume, although Spock never sounds agitated or upset when he's shouting here, he's just projecting authority. I really liked the part when he started to say, "I'm sorry" but stopped himself and gave the No logical alternative answer. I'm not sure if that was his control of his emotions slipping or he felt he wasn't being professional enough. Maybe both. I really like the way everyone reacts with each other, McCoy and Kirk getting into it right in the middle of the crisis, Sulu covering for Bailey, Scott joking about Spock's mother. They've been through a lot together already. Dr. McCoy's moon shuttle conductor and talking to himself lines are great.

    The teaser has Spock in command throughout with no mention of Kirk, which makes me wish there was a few episodes or a season or more of Spock being the captain.

    And we really get to see the main driving force in Star Trek, to seek out new civilizations. I love it when Kirk brings up "What is the mission of this vessel" but it's not a question. I wonder about Balok's deal, does he guard the FF's frontier himself or is he the whole First Federation himself? Do they all drive giant spheres? Are they all bald little creepy dudes with Lurch* puppets?

    Does anyone notice the 3 glasses of Soylent Orang... er Tranya that he distributes are already in the glass but he gets his own out of he bowl? Yeah, that proves it's safe. This guy breathes oxygen but what if he drinks ammonia? Tranya tastes great and leaves your insides sparkling clean! I also wonder why they had to beam over to the low hallway when 4 steps over they are in a room with no ceiling? Lots of drapery in Balok's ship. Dave Bailey was never heard from again. Maybe he was the next punch bowl of Tranya. Maybe that's why Balok is so jolly when Kirk says he's getting a better officer back, Kirk's not getting anything back. Hahahaha ha! you think he's coming back! I'll be drinking his liquefied organs as soon as you guys leave.

    Great episode.
     
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  18. Commishsleer

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    This is probably my favourite TOS episode. While I love COTEOF - it really is a Kirk-Spock episode but Corbomite Maneuver gives everyone a chance to show their (sometimes annoying sometimes funny) personality. quirks but still demonstrate that they are brave and true.
    Its well written and acted.
     
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  19. Archivist13

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    Production Order Week 4
    Star Trek Episode 1x03 Mudd's Women
    First aired: October 13, 1966
    4th episode produced, but 6th episode released.

    The Enterprise rescues a con man named Harry Mudd who is trafficking in mail-order brides.
     
  20. Shawnster

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    Along these lines, I also like the little inconsequential dialog that has nothing to do with the plot. It shows a comfortable familiarity with each other. Real life. In addition to the above, from "Where No Man..." we had the turbolift conversation about the illogical chess game and the comment about the little blonde lab technician.

    Really nice character building moments.

    And I also want to mention José Tyler. A very non Caucasian first name for a very non Hispanic individual. This is how it should be by the far future of Star Trek. When Earth is one giant melting pot we should see a mix of cultural heritage and ethnicities. Like Harry Kim. I just designed a business card for a Southeast Asian individual named Sean, which is an Irish first name /spelling. We will see this idea carried further in a few weeks when Sulu is running around with an épée sword /foil. The back story is George Takei felt by this future it would be common for an Asian individual to fancy a non Asian sword.