Production Order Group Viewing 2018

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  1. Poltargyst

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    The Jihad

    The Vedala are the oldest spacefaring race. Except for those Slaver guys from billions of years ago.

    I like episodes like this where representatives from a number of races meet, like Journey To Babel and Time Trap.

    A Skorr. Last time we saw one was Aleek in Yesteryear.

    Vedala: "As an expert lockpick and thief, you are welcome. Em3green. Lara (the female) is a hunter. She has a flawless directional sense, a necessary skill where you are going. Kirk and Spock were chosen because we are paying William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy a lot of money. "

    I'd like that lizard guy to be a Gorn, but they don't have tails.

    Alar is the Surak of the Skorr.

    The Skorr can make 200 billion warriors in two years! They are very prodigious baby-makers and very fast growers. But, this only matters if they can also make enough ships to transport all of them around the galaxy.

    Is Lara really human or is Tchar remarking on the fact that she is remarkably human looking? But she calls herself human. But she refers to her home planet which is clearly not Earth. Is she a human who was born on a human colony planet somewhere? Or is she humanoid but not really human?

    Lara: "But not human like you and me. Maybe you got different customs. My world there's a lot of females, not so many men. Come we find a man attractive, we say so. I'm saying so. How do you find me?"

    Well, Lara is very friendly.

    Kirk: "Fascinating." Ha ha. Put on the spot, Kirk uses Spock's line.

    Spock, OF COURSE Kirk wasn't going to leave you behind. Thinking otherwise is illogical. Because sometimes the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many. Don't worry, you'll learn more about that later on.

    Such dramatic music this episode like when they save the Bug Guy from falling into the ravine.

    Lara:" We still have to go back, James. I tell you true, I find you an attractive man. If we were together, the trip would be easier. And if anything happened, why, we'd have some green memories."
    Kirk: "I already have a lot of green memories."
    Lara: "Oh."

    Green memories? What the heck are they talking about? I hear it as

    Lara: "The trip will be easier if we bang along the way. We'll have memories from having banged each other."
    Kirk: "I've already banged a lot of women."
    Lara: "Oh."

    I honestly had no idea what a green memory was until I just looked it up:

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=green memory

    "Of or pertaining to strong carnal desires sexually. Having unprotected sex with a stranger or new person because of overriding desire of lust and arousal."

    Holy crap, I was right. That's pretty bold for a Saturday morning kids show.

    Having reviewed every episode of TOS, I ended up deciding that Kirk doesn't really deserve his reputation of being such a horn dog ladies man. But here he is admitting it!

    I just realized there's no Dr. McCoy/Dee Kelley this episode. How often does that happen? How many TOS episodes was he not in? Any?

    Tchar is the traitor! That dirty birdman!

    Sord has quite the slang vernacular going there.

    I also notice that Sord the lizard blinks.

    How did Kirk hook his foot into the Soul sculpture if there's a force field around it?

    Oooooh, Tchar's going to get time in the neural neutralizer chair! It worked for Chapel.

    So what did the Vedalians have to do with this? Apparently they found out the Soul was stolen, saw it was going to lead to galaxy-wide war, learned where the Soul was, and decided to assemble a team to retrieve it since they couldn't go themselves due to not being able to survive on that planet. Although if the temperature ranges on that planet are 20 Kelvin to 204, then NO ONE can really survive there.

    Vedala: "No. You will return and you will see, there will be no questions, no medals, only our thanks. And in time, even the memory will be gone from you."

    So Kirk's going to go back, make a log entry, and then forget the whole thing happened. Or did he not document the adventure at all?

    Good episode. I liked it. I like stories about teams where everyone on the team has their own unique abilities and backgrounds and they are all necessary and working together toward a common goal. It's a very Trekkian theme.

    Alien Watch! Quite the menagerie.

    Season One
    The Glommer
    Arex*
    Retlaw Plant
    Agmar and his Phylosian posse
    Swoopers
    Yellow winged bird guy (Aleek)
    Spock's teddy bear with fangs (sehlat)
    Green cat thing that sounds like Godzilla (le-matya)
    300 million year old alien on viewscreen log
    Green energy Redjac wannabe
    The Vendorian
    Lt. M'Ress
    Remarkably human-looking Taureans.
    The planet-eating, Majel Roddenberry-voiced cloud from another galaxy.
    Alien miners of Arcadia
    Rigelian hypnoid
    Giant rock creatures
    Remarkably human-looking (when they want to be except for that rebel Lucien guy) Megans
    Assorted heretofore unseen aliens on the Delta Triangle's ruling council
    The Kzinti (whom no one will mistake for Mensa candidates)
    Aquans, both stogy elders and rebellious kids.
    Sur-snake of Argo
    The scardy Bug Guy
    The Vedalian
    The...remarkably human-looking alien (?) Lara
    The not-a-Gorn lizard guy.

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  2. Henoch

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    Must be oldest not extinct, so, the Slavers must be extinct, now.
    1. WNMHGB
    2. What Are Little Girls Made Of?
    3. The Menagerie, Part 2
    4. Errand of Mercy
     
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    I don't understand why Kirk turned Lara down.
    Was he a bit shy? Was she too assertive? Was she not fancy enough?
    Was there any where private for them to be 'together' anyway?

    I like it that Kirk and Spock weren't their first choices.
    That in the universe there are one or two people/Vulcans better than Kirk or Spock.
    Oh wait no they died (can't have been that good) - looks like Kirk and Spock are top along with the pickpocket guy.
     
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    They are definitely Mary Shauns.
     
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    The USS Enterprise is probably the most influential symbol of the Federation in this sector, so, it is logical that they tap the two most famous representatives of that ship to help you in resolving your problems.
     
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    The Jihad shows five ships in orbit, with six representatives (Kirk and Spock count as one group). Whose ship is whose, considering we saw similar ships in The Time Trap?
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    • Humanoid Federation (Kirk, human and proven leader and Spock, half-vulcan and smart guy) = #1 Enterprise.
    • Reptilian-like Aliens (Sord, good hearing/senses and muscle of the group)
    • Insect-like Aliens (EM3Green, coward expert lock-pick and thief)
    • Vedala, cat-like Aliens (no name given), possibly no ship needed based on their vanishing, brain control and time manipulation technology.
    • Skorr, bird-like Aliens (T'Char, "Hereditary prince of the Skorr, master of the eerie." - he loves his titles...)
    • Unknown Humanoid Colony (Lara, human female flirting hunter), probably a hitchhiker and looking for a ride home.
     
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    THE JIHAD

    Trek writer Stephen Kandel returns and this time there is no Harry Mudd! Instead there are multiple original characters, all feel well written and have clearly established traits. The addition of not one but TWO guest voice actors also help to distinguish them from earlier TAS characters (Filmation regular Jane Webb filled in for a very pregnant Majel Barrett and David Gerrold voiced Em3 because apparently he just wanted to be involved!)

    The exchange between Lara and Kirk is great, as female autonomy steps back into play! :techman: If there's any rhyme or reason why TAS swings wildly between gender equality and “damsels in distress” though, it eludes me.

    Finally, extra kudos to Stephen for the term “green memories”
    Unfortunately there's no etymology given on that website and the entry itself was only posted in 2016.
    As such, it's just as possible that Lara simply meant they could create some new memories together since “green” is often synonymous with “new” such as the “green cheese” of the moon

    While the story is not the farce that the last 2 Mudd episodes were, but nonetheless does feel somewhat familiar…
    Kirk and Spock join a party of other specialists to fetch a powerful artefact
    Along the way, various incidents and wandering monsters harass the party, testing their varied range of skills. Ultimately they retrieve the treasure and return home, gaining little but experience from their adventures.
    Honestly, it’s hard to believe that this episode pre-dated the release of Dungeons and Dragons by a full year! Of course, the rules for its predecessor “Chainmail” had been around since 1971 and tales of high fantasy adventure (such as Conan) existed for even longer. Maybe Stephen Kandel was a fan of Robert E Howard’s work?
    Anyway, let’s check off the D&D classes present:
    • Sord – Fighter (the tank)
    • Lara the huntress - Ranger
    • Spock the scientist - Wizard
    • Em3, expert lockpick - Thief
    • Kirk – another Fighter probably, but one with higher INT and DEX scores than Sord.
    • Tchar – if I was feeling mean I might suggest Bard as he doesn’t actually do much! However, as his motives later reveal, he’s more like the NPC who hires the party in the tavern. In which case that makes…
    • Vedala lady – Tavern Keeper :D

    There are some really good alien designs in this episode, thanks in large to the animated format:
    • The Vedala lady is a little more cat-like than Lieutenant M’Ress in appearance, but has a softer voice, less rrrrolling vocals. She has a ferocious roar though!
    • We last saw a member of the Skorr race in Yesteryear but here Tchar shows off the full griffin-style awesomeness of his winged species :luvlove:
    • Sord has a hefty tail and digitigrade legs. His face is reminiscent of the Gorn but with a fully articulated face and head.
    • Em3 makes extensive use of his 6 arms in several scenes. He is also a deliciously bug-like

    As a “quest” episode this is a pretty good yarn, although no satisfactory reason is given why the Vedala couldn’t survive the planet – as later revealed these guys have the power to remove the “evil” from Tchar’s personality (while keeping the rest of his personality intact) and even mess with the very fabric of time itself!!!
    This is an unfortunate return to the Trek trope of super-powerful aliens with a vaguely defined power set.


    NEW TECH
    While the ships orbiting the planet are reuses, the vehicle the party uses is a completely new design, albeit an incomplete one - where’s the roof? I’m not asking that it should be magma proof, but at the very least could keep out the rain!


    RANDOM ENCOUNTERS
    • This so called “mad world” is just chock full of plot convenient weather - challenging to the party without being too deadly
      I mean its geologically unstable…yeah, that’s it. :whistle:
    • The threat posed by the magma is…unclear. Spock and Em3 spend a very long time rewiring the vehicle, yet it doesn’t seem to be going much faster. Surely the time could have been better spent just driving away from the lava?
      I guess they needed something for Spock and Em3 to do (filler?)
    • Kirk, Lara and Sord also make themselves useful by hefting some boulders (filler?)
    • And then Spock falls overboard. D’oh! Told you they should have had a roof :guffaw:
    • Then Em3 falls down a hole! (Hey Stephen – you already played this Event Card!)
    • In a final bout of lazy exposition, Spock has to remind Kirk that they did zero-G training TOGETHER, ONLY LAST WEEK!!! :brickwall:

    OTHER THOUGHTS
    • The Vedala are the most ancient (extant) race in the galaxy! Good lore addition
    • 3 expeditions have been lost – so why not send another! Wave after wave of brave, disposable volunteers…
    • Volcanoes are getting to be a TAS staple :techman:
    • After an advert break we get a shot of the Enterprise for some reason. The editor of the Slaver Weapon felt no such need to remind the audience that this is “that show about the Star Truck Enterprise”
    • Later there’s another advert break, another shot of the Enterprise (and the other ships waiting above the Vedala’s planet). Did the editor forget that that’s NOT where the landing party is???
    • The visualisation of the soul of Elar as being (THOUSAND FEET) off the floor doesn’t really work; it seems to be just off the floor! Am I looking at the right object?

    Like many super villains, Tchar’s plan doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny – why reveal the actual location of the temple? The party are entirely reliant on his aerial reconnaissance for directions, why not just send them off on a wild goose chase through the planet’s terrifying terrain? Why the elaborate plan with the mechanical birds?
     
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  8. Poltargyst

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    Having played D and D, I appreciate this layout.
     
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    Kirk did call her "fascinating" and did say "Maybe some other time, Lara." Seems like he might have hooked up with her under other circumstances.
     
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    I still play D&D, and appreciate quest teams to go after a great prize.

    Kirk could be a Paladin. Incorporates his high charisma and Lara's attraction to him, and in part, his rejection of her offers.
     
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    You make a good case - a Paladin he shall be! :biggrin:
     
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  13. johnnybear

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    Very interesting thanks, Maurice!
    JB
     
  14. Henoch

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    Or seat belts...
     
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    This was a Saturday Morning cartoon show aimed more at kids than adults unlike the TV series and they didn't want to frighten away their captive audience! :techman:
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  16. Henoch

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    True. Even as a teenager (and probably even today), my original reaction to any "kissing" or "talk about love" on TAS was "eeew!"
     
  17. johnnybear

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    But your teenage years were more than half a million years ago, Henny!!!! :wtf:
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  18. Poltargyst

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    The Terratin Incident

    Why is McCoy so concerned about them leaving a mapping mission?

    I feel like Uhura should have been the one to decipher the signal, not Spock. It is her area of expertise. (I know, EVERYTHING is Spock's area of expertise). It makes me think they have to pay the actors by the line, and they only budgeted so much for Nichelle Nichols for the season, so Spock had to give the analysis.

    Kirk acknowledges the receiving of the word "terratin" twice indicates an intelligent source, then dismisses it as volcanic activity when they get to the planet.

    I like that the engines are purring like happy kittens.

    That dilithium crystal chamber reminds me of the chamber Spock saved the ship then died in in WoK.

    Honey, I shrunk the crew! I guess McCoy was right to want to keep mapping.

    Huh, their uniforms are organic-based from algae.

    It's not like Sulu to flip out like that. He was the one giving the countdown to their demise in Corbomite Maneuver that wigged Bailey out. I guess being shrunk can do that to you.

    Whoa, Chapel comes up with the idea to heal Sulu's leg. Good on her.

    "Transporter Room 3." I have argued that in TOS that there is only one Transporter room on the Enterprise given that in TOS everyone speaks about THE transporter room, and you never hear "go to Transporter Room 3." In this episode there are undeniably multiple transporter rooms.

    I wonder how the Enterprise locked on to Kirk to beam him up once he had dropped the communicator and it was slagged by lava. Did they have him on the sensors?

    The Terratinians are a lost human colony. Fascinating.

    How does firing a phaser at the city result in it being beamed up?

    Verdanis. What makes that planet a good fit for the Terratinians? I'm envisioning the Terratinians being harrassed by giant rabbits and other animal life.

    Don't the Teratinians get a say in where they live next?

    Aw, a happy Star Trek ending. The Terratinians will live happily on a beautiful new planet. Except for the giant rabbits.

    Decent episode. I was entertained.

    Alien Watch! So the Terratinians are humans who mutated so that being small is now normal for them, so I won't count them. But it turns out McCoy has some lab specimens.

    Season One
    The Glommer
    Arex*
    Retlaw Plant
    Agmar and his Phylosian posse
    Swoopers
    Yellow winged bird guy (Aleek)
    Spock's teddy bear with fangs (sehlat)
    Green cat thing that sounds like Godzilla (le-matya)
    300 million year old alien on viewscreen log
    Green energy Redjac wannabe
    The Vendorian
    Lt. M'Ress
    Remarkably human-looking Taureans.
    The planet-eating, Majel Roddenberry-voiced cloud from another galaxy.
    Alien miners of Arcadia
    Rigelian hypnoid
    Giant rock creatures
    Remarkably human-looking (when they want to be except for that rebel Lucien guy) Megans
    Assorted heretofore unseen aliens on the Delta Triangle's ruling council
    The Kzinti (whom no one will mistake for Mensa candidates)
    Aquans, both stogy elders and rebellious kids.
    Sur-snake of Argo
    The scardy Bug Guy
    The Vedalian
    The...remarkably human-looking alien (?) Lara
    The not-a-Gorn lizard guy.
    Translucent gossamer mice!
    Glowing halo fish!

    *by request
     
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  19. johnnybear

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    Jane Webb voiced Lara? I did not know that and I'm sure it's not on her IMDB page but she was the regular voice on Fantastic Voyage made in 1967 for Filmation!
    JB
     
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    The TAS Enterprise appears to be much larger with more engineering rooms than ever seen on TOS. I wonder where are the dilithium crystal room and circuit room? I guess they went back to the natural crystals vs. the old manufactured paddle crystals. They appear to have nothing to do with matter/antimatter reactions, only power generation, but they also appear to be "dangerous" since they are enclosed by glass shielding.
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