I liked Thunderbolts but that's because it's focus on mental illness really felt so different than anything I've seen in superheroes for a long time. I totally get you on A24 and other stuff tho.
I’m not dead yet!
My general belief is that they will go the movie route again, fail again, then come back to TV again.
According to The Hollywood Reporter, 28% of the HBO Max subscriber base has a subscription to Paramount+ and 21% of P+ subscribers have a subscription to HBO Max. So regardless of what the new owners do, when they pivot back to TV, the show(s) will definitely get much better ratings because the total subscriber base will be so much larger.
My general guess is that when they pivot back to TV, we will get something similar to what we got in the Kurtzman era. A handful of shows targeting different vibes & demographics. I do not believe they would ever go "all in" on a single premier show with 25 episodes a season that are released every single year.
According to The Hollywood Reporter, 28% of the HBO Max subscriber base has a subscription to Paramount+ and 21% of P+ subscribers have a subscription to HBO Max. So regardless of what the new owners do, when they pivot back to TV, the show(s) will definitely get much better ratings because the total subscriber base will be so much larger.
My general guess is that when they pivot back to TV, we will get something similar to what we got in the Kurtzman era. A handful of shows targeting different vibes & demographics. I do not believe they would ever go "all in" on a single premier show with 25 episodes a season that are released every single year.
Plus, a huge number of people under 30 watched the Abrams films, and I'd bet most of that audience hasn't watched a second of Rodenberry, Berman or Kurtzman TV Trek. They don't know or care that Kirk and Spock were recast for DIS/SNW, and they'll accept another recast (shoot, there were three different blockbuster film Spider-Mans in nine years).
True, though I guess there is the difference that all of the Spider-Mans are (originally) different adaptations of a character from a different medium, and that guy (comics Peter Parker) is still running around; whereas Pine/Quinto were kinda supposed to be replacements for Shatner/Nimoy, and arguably Wesley/Peck were kinda replacements for them in turn. In practice, probably no effective difference for a mass audience.
Tons of people have watched TOS who didn't grow up in the 60's, plus a lot of Zoomers and younger millennials remember the 09 film well regardless of what the hardcore fandom thinks of it. You ask people to name the things they think of when they think of Star Trek Kirk and Spock are going to be first out of most people's mouths. I think if you try a big budget ST film with new characters it's going to bomb even if they make a great movie and that will just kill it.
It’s simply not realistic to think this would even be possible for a sci-fi show in the 2020s. No one is making 20+ episodes for any drama show, except for procedurals and soap operas.
Besides the first film, those weren't all that good.
Fees like Star Trek is still riding the coat tails of 90s Trek.
I'll have to go a Trek convention to see what the age of the attendee.
I’ve been shaking my head lately as some Stargate fans have established a line in the sand, thinking the new show needs to get 20-episode seasons or it’s a total waste.
Amazon’s average is eight. I’m truly sorry, folks, but that era isn’t coming back. Not for Stargate, not for Star Trek, not for anything.
Sci-fi fans: longing for new technology yet complaining when things change.
Science fiction stories are often cautionary tales. How many people watched Terminator and longed for robots to wipe out humanity?
Also I'm not expecting 26 episode seasons to come back any time soon, that's definitely not the trend, but in the longer term it's hard to predict what will happen. Maybe circumstances will evolve in a way that makes more episodes per season more profitable. Because episode count reductions and delays between seasons can only go so far before TV series become miniseries and TV movies.
As it turns out, more than we thought!
Nowadays? I wouldn't complain about it.
I first saw it in syndication when I was a kid.
I agree. There needs to be a tie to the existing Trek universe (even TNG brought back McCoy and Scotty).
In the UK, each season is a series unto itself (For example, the DVDs for Luther are labeled Luther 1, Luther 2, Luther 3 ... etc.).
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Yeah, be careful what you wish for.
I can certainly envisage a scenario in which we're getting high episode counts churned out again - but it's all AI slop "content" with minimal input from human creatives.
Not quite. We just don't use the word season at all for our shows. It's possibly because we don't do broadcast seasons the same way America does, our blocks of programming are all released within the same year much like how the streaming releases are done now but I guess referring to them as seasons is a holdover because that's how it's always been.
Our box sets of American shows do refer to them as seasons so we have Legends of Tomorrow box sets referred to as seasons next to Doctor Who referred to as series.
I use seasons personally just to avoid any confusion.
OTOH, this suggests the possibility of a big potential HBO audience that aren't even aware of ten years of streaming Trek.
One question: will this be on the test?
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