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EZRI: Okay. But I'm not sure you're going to like it.
WORF: Tell me.
EZRI: I think that the situation with Gowron is a symptom of a bigger problem. The Klingon Empire is dying. And I think it deserves to die.
WORF: You are right. I do not like it.
EZRI: Don't get me wrong, I'm very touched that you still consider me to be a member of the House of Martok, but I tend to look at the Empire with a little more scepticism than Curzon or Jadzia did. I see a society that is in deep denial about itself. We're talking about a warrior culture that prides itself on maintaining centuries old traditions of honour and integrity, but in reality it's willing to accept corruption at the highest levels.
WORF: You are overstating your case.
EZRI: Am I? Who was the last leader of the High Council that you respected? Has there even been one? And how many times have you had to cover up the crimes of Klingon leaders because you were told it was for the good of the Empire? I know this sounds harsh, but the truth is, you have been willing to accept a government that you know is corrupt. Gowron's just the latest example. Worf, you are the most honourable and decent man I've ever met, and if you're willing to tolerate men like Gowron, then what hope is there for the Empire?
 
Quark: "I'm a people person."

That's a really, really great scene and actually does so much world building, I went to a convention in 2010 and Armin was actually asked about that specific scene, memory escapes the specifics of what he said but he actually gave that alot of thought.
 
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Speaking of WOTW, Sisko's speech to Worf at the end, when he tells him how he deals with loss, was almost perfect. However, the trappings of Star Trek ruin it, taking it from the universal and making it nerdy. I wish it had be written:

SISKO: I finally realised that it wasn't Starfleet I wanted to get away from. I was trying to escape the pain I felt after my wife's death. I thought I could take the uniform, wrap it around that pain and toss them both away. But it doesn't work like that. Running may help for a little while, but sooner or later the pain catches up with you, and the only way to get rid of it is to stand your ground and face it.
WORF: But wearing that uniform must remind you of what you have lost.
SISKO: Sometimes. But it also reminds me of what I've gained, and who I am. Oh, I can throw away the uniform, resign my commission, run away, but it really wouldn't matter. A soldier. That's what I am, and that's what I'll always be.
 
I have trouble with that whole episode. It was so well done and, being a parent to two kids, I think it just kills me to think of one of my kids living their whole life trying to amend one mistake. I cried through quote a bit of it.
I skip it usually.
1. I think they use old people makeup (poorly)
I don't even think they use the old people makeup on the "Jake" actor.
2. It's not in space. It's on Earth. Boring.
3. Pretty sad. As above who wants their child wasting their life living in the past?
 
Sisko had to have a love interest who didn't report to him. As station commander, that limited his options.
Kasidy seemed like a good match to me.
I didn't trust her. Jadzia I trusted, and I thought "Fascinations" opened the door to her true feelings for Ben. I wish it was explored further, also DS9 was the perfect stable to see if a lover could report to him. The emotional challenges would've been interesting storytelling. I didn't like her with Worf, I'd rather her with Morn than with that idiotic honor dribble character.

Rant time!!!

I hated the death of her btw; although it was done I wanted Jadzia to have one last word to Sisko, simply saying, "Dukat" and died. But this was the new DS9 where they lacked good drama. Another thing I despised was the lack of mourning for her life. I mean, the writers dedicated a thought out mourning for a character they barely knew in "The Sound of her Voice" while Jadzia was an important character of the series and they didn't do squat.

I hate Deep Space Nine.
 
I mean, the writers dedicated a thought out mourning for a character they barely knew in "The Sound of her Voice" while Jadzia was an important character of the series and they didn't do squat.
You know very well why that happened. It's all documented.
 
I didn't trust her. Jadzia I trusted, and I thought "Fascinations" opened the door to her true feelings for Ben. I wish it was explored further, also DS9 was the perfect stable to see if a lover could report to him. The emotional challenges would've been interesting storytelling. I didn't like her with Worf, I'd rather her with Morn than with that idiotic honor dribble character.

Rant time!!!

I hated the death of her btw; although it was done I wanted Jadzia to have one last word to Sisko, simply saying, "Dukat" and died. But this was the new DS9 where they lacked good drama. Another thing I despised was the lack of mourning for her life. I mean, the writers dedicated a thought out mourning for a character they barely knew in "The Sound of her Voice" while Jadzia was an important character of the series and they didn't do squat.

I hate Deep Space Nine.

No, dating someone who reports to you is not acceptable. Not here, not in Starfleet. If you want to tell a story like that, tellit about Ferengi. Even if you think it might be okay, Sisko was still in deep mourning for Jennifer when he first met Jadzia, and not ready to date anyone. By the time he might have been ready to date, they'd settled into a solid work and buddy relationship. Besides, who'd want to date an old buddy, who already know every funny story you know, already knows all your faults and strengths? Isn't the mysterious part of the attraction at first?

No one liked how Jadzia died. Not Worf, not Sisko, not Farrell, and not the producers or directors. You already know why it happened. But you know what, people die in war and often it's for stupid and trivial reasons, not what they would have wanted.

They did have a mourning episode for Jadzia, "Shadows and Symbols". Sorry if it only had her husband and head of her house, not the person you wished she'd married but actually showed zero romantic interest in.
 
Since all the good ones were taken, I'll chuck in one of the two next best that are better - my choice is from "Sons of Mogh" (a great episode, well acted):

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EZRI: Okay. But I'm not sure you're going to like it.
WORF: Tell me.
EZRI: I think that the situation with Gowron is a symptom of a bigger problem. The Klingon Empire is dying. And I think it deserves to die.
WORF: You are right. I do not like it.
EZRI: Don't get me wrong, I'm very touched that you still consider me to be a member of the House of Martok, but I tend to look at the Empire with a little more scepticism than Curzon or Jadzia did. I see a society that is in deep denial about itself. We're talking about a warrior culture that prides itself on maintaining centuries old traditions of honour and integrity, but in reality it's willing to accept corruption at the highest levels.
WORF: You are overstating your case.
EZRI: Am I? Who was the last leader of the High Council that you respected? Has there even been one? And how many times have you had to cover up the crimes of Klingon leaders because you were told it was for the good of the Empire? I know this sounds harsh, but the truth is, you have been willing to accept a government that you know is corrupt. Gowron's just the latest example. Worf, you are the most honourable and decent man I've ever met, and if you're willing to tolerate men like Gowron, then what hope is there for the Empire?
I love Ezri for this, she takes all the pomp and fanwank about the Klingons and shreds it to pieces in a way I appreciated (I do find them a hugely over-hyped race).
 
""Allamaraine, count to four, Allamaraine, then three more"

Just because I find it delightfully cheesey :D
 
One other scene from first season in an otherwise weak episode is where Zek is discussing with the other high ranking Ferengi their business strategy in the gamma quadrant.

"And why? Because no matter where we go, our reputation precedes us. A reputation tainted by the lies of our competitors, who maliciously spread the erroneous impression that we are not to be trusted!"

I thought the writing of that entire scene was beautiful. I wish Zek was written more like that throughout the series and less like an anti-capitalist cartoon.
 
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