Totally agree.
Picard Season 2's Time Travel Will Fix Season 1's Biggest Mistakes
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And Miles O'Brien died in "Visionary." You just ignore this stuff in Star Trek.
"But, Charles! Humans and Robots are different!"
And I respond, "You kind of missed the point of Picard, didn't you?"
Which is, of course, that Soji and the others are biological robots.
And Miles O'Brien died in "Visionary." You just ignore this stuff in Star Trek.
"But, Charles! Humans and Robots are different!"
And I respond, "You kind of missed the point of Picard, didn't you?"
Which is, of course, that Soji and the others are biological robots.
I dont ignore the fact that Miles is a now an alternate future version of the miles we watched up until that point.
There is ZERO of the original picard left. He is merely a sythetic construct with copied memories. The dialog would support this theory. But again I'm sure the writers will just say..."nuh uh"......and deliver some stupid line to make it not so...to try to ASSURE fans in doubt it's really Picard...
Except no because if you can convert consciousness to energy in the transporter without interruption than you can convert it into positrons. If this offends you from the perspective of mind vs. body in Descartes sense then you are in the wrong franchise.
That's not what happened here. According to dialog....
Well Soong planned to upload himself and viewed it as himself and a form of immortality so I'm taking the universe's greatest expert on it at his word.
Indeed. In universe trumps fan supposition.
I love how people think that Picard becoming an android is an unacceptable interruption of consciousness but Q snapping his fingers and building Picard a new human body somehow "fixes" it.
It doesn't. The Q can't bring back the dead. Or if they can they have no interest in it. Picard wasn't yet dead in Tapestry, before anyone chips in - not beyond the "could bring him back if the heart wasn't fused" level, anyway.
They could bring his old body through time and transplant his memories into it, fixing the neurological issue at the same time... but it's still not HIS body, just A body with HIS mind put into it. So if you are the sort of boring existentialist twonk who is bothered by "same mind, different body", you don't get out of it via Q and I recommend you never watch Doctor Who and REALLY recommend you don't watch Altered Carbon...
It doesn't. The Q can't bring back the dead. Or if they can they have no interest in it. Picard wasn't yet dead in Tapestry, before anyone chips in - not beyond the "could bring him back if the heart wasn't fused" level, anyway.
They could bring his old body through time and transplant his memories into it, fixing the neurological issue at the same time... but it's still not HIS body, just A body with HIS mind put into it. So if you are the sort of boring existentialist twonk who is bothered by "same mind, different body", you don't get out of it via Q and I recommend you never watch Doctor Who and REALLY recommend you don't watch Altered Carbon...
The Q can do whatever the scriptwriter wants them to do.
OK, they bring back dead Picard. There's still been a cessation of consciousness, because he was dead. So you still have to handwave "he's got all Picard's memories!!".
The only way around this is steal pre-death Picard from the timeline. Which means he doesn't die to protect the synths, so Soji has no reason to trust organics, then she lets the robot tentacle rape go ahead.
I mean if you want to shit on the series THAT much, why not just lock yourself in a room with a bowl of hot chilli and a DVD of it?
Not that I'm a fan of the Q at all but why can't they? That's what Riker was mad about wasn't he? He could have saved that little girl using Q powers.
Saved as in got to her in time before she died. The whole issue is Picard insisted on not using Riker to just snap them into orbit in an instant when they got the distress call.
There is no "bring them back" (save "pull them out of time", which has the above issues) that doesn't run into the same metaphysical arguments that others are using against android Picard. "Dead, but back" implies cessation of consciousness. Repairing the body and putting the mind back in or transferring the mind to a new body are THE SAME THING when it comes to this argument.
Let's boil it down, these are the people who would say "no, he's a toaster" when Louvois asked "does Data have a soul?" in Measure of a Man. They'll cheerfully accept Q snapping android Picard a new organic body... as if his memories aren't still just what Data/Maddox were able to scan. Because they equate an organic body with life and not a mechanical one.
The Q can rewrite reality so yes, they can. Hell, Beverly Crusher has brought back the dead a few times.
I'm always leery about possible storylines that are being hinted as "fixing" problems with the past story. Who said they need fixing?
This kinda reminds me of all those clickbait stories about how the next Trek film will somehow "undo" the Kelvin timeline. Who was asking?
This kinda reminds me of all those clickbait stories about how the next Trek film will somehow "undo" the Kelvin timeline. Who was asking?
There has been zero original Picard left ever since Lonely Among Us in the first season of TNG. Your point? Because if you want to say that the original Jean-Luc Picard has been dead since the early first season of Star Trek The Next Generation, that's the point you're making.
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There was no cessation of consciousness. They made a point of showing that to us. We followed his consciousness from the duplicate body created in the first season of TNG, to the Quantum Storage unit and then into his new body. You're thinking of Lonely Among Us in the first season of Star Trek The Next Generation. There was no continuation of consciousness in that instance. So thank you for helping us establish definitively that Picard died in the first season of Star Trek The Next Generation.
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Well, if I may cross franchise streams for a moment, Yoda once told Luke that, "luminous beings are we, not this crude matter".
It's the luminescence, the spark, that matters. I don't personally subscribe to the notion that Picard died in either Lonely Among Us or in Et In Arcadia Ego part 2. The spark that was Jean-Luc Picard survived the destruction of his original body in the nebula and came to inhabit (by the way of the ship's computer no less) a new, duplicate one. That same spark, decades later, left the duplicate body, entered the Quantum Storage unit and then was transferred to the Golem body. I don't see any real significant difference in the two processes.
This is all Science Fiction 101, people.
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