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Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"
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Picard might be good. I just hope it isn't all doom and gloom and has at least some era-appropriate ships. I still don't get why it has to be TV-MA. Just because it's not on TV proper doesn't mean it needs to be mature. The majority of Trek you were able to watch with your family. It's a shame they don't feel that way anymore.At this point, it is agree to disagree. The "discourse" would rather accuse the production team of apathy than consider alternatives and focus on the VFX than things actually enjoyed.
That's fine. VFX sucked, Mars sucked and Picard will suck. There, got that out of the way...
Actually, the Kelvin was originally meant to be 000322, so they could order the numbers better in the future when they got to the 6 digit registries. But the SF Procurement Dept. decided to save money on paint and dropped two of the leading zeroes.
Imagine the effect three leading zeroes would have on some people (*cough* @The Wormhole *cough*).
Maybe it's San Fransokyo.
It's the first, and so far only, indication of late 24th century post-NEM pre-PIC designs we got, so of course it's the only basis we have (in addition to trailers, of course) for how PIC is gonna look.
One of the teachers/guards had a pattern on his cheeks like the Shenzhou bridge officer. One boy also looked alien, but he was blurry in the background.
Did they ever appear by themselves with no era-specific ship?
I was looking forward to maybe seeing the first new ships and props post-NEM. Of course I looked at the ships featured there very closely. It can bother people when their expectations aren't met and excitement turns to disappointment. And era-specific or completely new ships are a reasonable expectation. I am with Longinus here: There seems to be broad agreement that the story was nice, the whole thing was shot nicely, I also think the acting was great, especially considering that they're kids and still showed such layers. Discussions only get long and heated when different opinions collide and are fought with exchange after exchange, and sometimes circle after circle. The 'shippers' continued because the 'whocarers' questioned their opinions, taste, priorities, when they could simply accept that it everyone is free to care about whatever they care about
Remember how the tsunami death toll in 2004 kept rising and rising for days? Live news is by nature inaccurate.
SDCC in July.
There are new fans that only know Disco and/or the Kelvin movies. Picard is only familiar to them from memes (sadly). I can see how they'd be confused here.
Neelix thought so! XDDoes Klingon opera count as classical music?
But Sabotage was classical music in Beyond...
My impression was the pilot couldn't see her behind that field in that tunnel or whatever entrance it was.
Vreenak has something to say about that XD
You still can. It's all readily available to watch, still.
Pot, kettle.
With lifesign detection a thing, I imagine the "3000" figure (almost certainly an approximation) to be fairly accurate. The Rogue Synths did seem to do over a dozen bombardments, visible from some orbit and some multiple times, but for such a low figure, it must've been targeted sites and maybe the Federation has quick evacuation plans.
Perhaps there was some form of notice, like a half hour or so, in order to evacuate as much as possible. Maybe the Synths have a fundamental respect for life and their terrorist attack had a necessary goal in mind (destroying the defense perimeter? wiping out some sort of android research centers at shipyards? No idea, really).
The colonies, where the millions live, were probably avoided, as we only see attacks (on the ground) at shipyards. Two types of attacks are visible: the orbital bombardment that produces massive explosions bigger than Tunguska, and the strafing attacks by the kite ships on certain facilities seen by the news cameras. Presumably, they also attacked our favorite Magee ship and her friends, but we don't see that, so maybe not.
So, I will assume that the orbital bombardments weren't focusing on people, but taking out unmanned power stations or underground facilities (given the power of the weaponry involved) in order to accomplish their objective with a minimal loss of life. If they are truly terrorist (as in, inflicting terror on us evil humans), then the visual of 20+ Tunguskas, even on barren land far from any observed city, may be what they were going for.
The strafing attacks may have been the true goal, or at least aided by the power station bombardments. That's probably where the death toll lies, given how indiscriminatory they seem, but given that this is Data-level AI, I assume that they're far more surgical in nature, crippling perhaps only the shipbuilding and nothing else. Kima and Lil's parents may have survived.
So given all the assumptions I made, 3000 may actually seem a little high. Discovery introduced us to robots, and the idea that they may have always been around. Shipbuilding isn't done by 10,000 Kima mothers, rather Kima mothers oversee 10,000 robots who do the grunt work (note: not synths, but actual working, non-sentient robots). Lil's father was Quality Assurance, so an inspector of some kind who probably just tested random parts. They both worked (or called) out of the Mons Olympus Station, even if they worked for two different employers (Utopia Planitia Shipyards and Mars Orbital Facility), suggesting interactivity between the two. Maybe UP makes the ships, and the MOF makes sure they're good to go before shipping out. Or something. Or maybe Mons Olympus is just where the workers live before taking the shuttle to their destination (in orbit or to Utopia Planitia, which is thousands of miles away from Olympus Mons).
Perhaps there was some form of notice, like a half hour or so, in order to evacuate as much as possible. Maybe the Synths have a fundamental respect for life and their terrorist attack had a necessary goal in mind (destroying the defense perimeter? wiping out some sort of android research centers at shipyards? No idea, really).
The colonies, where the millions live, were probably avoided, as we only see attacks (on the ground) at shipyards. Two types of attacks are visible: the orbital bombardment that produces massive explosions bigger than Tunguska, and the strafing attacks by the kite ships on certain facilities seen by the news cameras. Presumably, they also attacked our favorite Magee ship and her friends, but we don't see that, so maybe not.
So, I will assume that the orbital bombardments weren't focusing on people, but taking out unmanned power stations or underground facilities (given the power of the weaponry involved) in order to accomplish their objective with a minimal loss of life. If they are truly terrorist (as in, inflicting terror on us evil humans), then the visual of 20+ Tunguskas, even on barren land far from any observed city, may be what they were going for.
The strafing attacks may have been the true goal, or at least aided by the power station bombardments. That's probably where the death toll lies, given how indiscriminatory they seem, but given that this is Data-level AI, I assume that they're far more surgical in nature, crippling perhaps only the shipbuilding and nothing else. Kima and Lil's parents may have survived.
So given all the assumptions I made, 3000 may actually seem a little high. Discovery introduced us to robots, and the idea that they may have always been around. Shipbuilding isn't done by 10,000 Kima mothers, rather Kima mothers oversee 10,000 robots who do the grunt work (note: not synths, but actual working, non-sentient robots). Lil's father was Quality Assurance, so an inspector of some kind who probably just tested random parts. They both worked (or called) out of the Mons Olympus Station, even if they worked for two different employers (Utopia Planitia Shipyards and Mars Orbital Facility), suggesting interactivity between the two. Maybe UP makes the ships, and the MOF makes sure they're good to go before shipping out. Or something. Or maybe Mons Olympus is just where the workers live before taking the shuttle to their destination (in orbit or to Utopia Planitia, which is thousands of miles away from Olympus Mons).
Data's loop message reactivated itself and he led an attack to kill a 3 with 3 zeros number of people. Better open the shuttlebay...
But Data or a similar Soong-type being behind the attack reminds me of INS. His ethical program took over and he attacked the hidden base, the people trying to stop him, and the Son'a ship. In TNG, he was about to kill Fajo. A slight malfunction similar to the evil EMH from Equinox or that Jekyll & Hyde episode could turn him into a ruthless and precise killer. Now imagine Maddox's thousands of Datas with such a malfunction...
But Data or a similar Soong-type being behind the attack reminds me of INS. His ethical program took over and he attacked the hidden base, the people trying to stop him, and the Son'a ship. In TNG, he was about to kill Fajo. A slight malfunction similar to the evil EMH from Equinox or that Jekyll & Hyde episode could turn him into a ruthless and precise killer. Now imagine Maddox's thousands of Datas with such a malfunction...
Thing is, your 'alternative' explanations are not actually explanations. They basically amount to 'they did not have enough time/money.' That is indeed quite possibly the case, but someone assigned that time and money. It is not like CBS literally is out of cash and couldn't spare couple of grand extra or whatever for this if they wanted. It also seems pretty unlikely that they honesty did their best but at the last minute dog ate their Nebula class.
Yeah, that's totally what I was saying...*eyeroll*That's fine. VFX sucked, Mars sucked and Picard will suck. There, got that out of the way...
CBS owns the rights to everything. From "The Cage" all the way to "Children of Mars" (currently). Novels, comics, video games... they own it all. There is no negotiation.
In weird way having all these dated ships make sense. Starfleet never has ships nearby guarding Earth or the solar system. How many times was the Enterprise the only ship in the area? In "Best of Both Worlds" all they have was those crappy automated ships. Maybe Starfleet keeps all the old junk ships nearby for crap duty while the good stuff is out their exploring and doing important missions. Also the fleet might not be built back up after the Dominion War.
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Good question. Though I wonder why the short needed four writers for six minutes, all of whom would need to be paid. They also had to pay for the song they used I would imagine.
About the only way this works in-universe is that the Dominion War depleted Starfleet so badly that even a decade or so later the fleet is still rebuilding and having to reactivate and upgrade a lot of mothballed ships from previous decades and even generations to fill in the gaps while the shipyards crank out the newest designs or new ships from recent classes we saw on DS9 and VOY. Other than that the only acceptable explanation is these are quick and cheap placeholders for an eight-minute short that had a minimal budget to play around with.
The shot should've just had a ship or two that was recognizably newer in addition to the Discovery-era ships. Even if they were in the background, so they didn't have to be as well defined.
Yep. Just one Defiant- or Intrepid-class. One. That's all it would have taken.
Or one Galaxy. Since we see they already have a workable 3D model from the first Picard trailers.
Saw it this morning.
Eight minutes... four of which were two school-age girls fighting.
The final minute or so was the credits.
I hope the show is better.
Eight minutes... four of which were two school-age girls fighting.
The final minute or so was the credits.
I hope the show is better.
Productions still have budgets. So, even if they are not "out of cash" it doesn't mean that money was allocated for it.
Again, there is a long line of possibilities to get to apathy. We simply don't have enough information to conclude one way or the other. Apathy isn't a real explanation either. It's just a dig at CBS.
Didn't say you said that. This isn't me putting words in your mouth so stop taking it personally.
Pretty sure they did. At least the Birds of Prey for sure.
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