Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"

[Kamen Rider Blade]

CBS already has a CGI model of the Luna. it's what was used to make the model for Eaglemoss.

And yet they couldn't afford to replace era appropriate ships for the shot of Space Dock?

Unless those weren't Space Docks, but floating museums with some classic StarShips.

We have plenty of floating museums IRL with real life ships.

Wouldn't be surprised to see older Ships moored up to simple Dry-Dock like facilities to be run as museums.

 

[mswood]

There's plenty of "Beta Cannon" ships that already have models made.

They could've grabbed one of those and stuck it in dry dock.

Who wouldn't want to see a Luna Class StarShip sitting in Dry Dock?

Not me, but in fairness most of the CGI is going to be more complex meshes (even if the lighting makes it hard to tell) then the vast majority of the CGI used in previous treks or for the games and various merchandise. Though of course there are going to be a few exceptions. Now would I love to see some high quality meshes that are lovingly rendered from older 24th century ships or stations? Hell yes. But I freely admit that’s, not what I am wanting the show to be (I want the show to be good).

 

[mswood]

Should have just reused the shot from the beginning of the episode, Relativity. It would have been far more appropriate.

That shot is of such low quality to what is expected today, it’s not even funny.

 

[thribs]

That shot is of such low quality to what is expected today, it’s not even funny.

Well they could darken it.

 

[NCC-73515]

I think the Magee is about 50 years older then than the Miranda, Oberth and Excelsior were in TNG/DS9

 

[Paul Weaver]

And we haven’t seen it outside of Sol.

In TOS we saw the DY-500 was know in 2260, 260 years after the almost identical DY-100 was built. The5 00s were still being built in 2123 - 150 years after the dy100, so I don’t see the problem with a ship that looks like a Magee but could well be a later version in a dock in mars.

 

[Timo]

Or then the very same version, there being little reason to upgrade a meek cargo hauler or whatnot. The boxy thing hasn't exactly distinguished herself as a fighting vessel or an explorer, and basically just accommodated a bunch of scientists and a gadzillion tribbles in its one limelight spot (and those were extremely low-watt limelights!). And its dockyard partner is explicitly but a tug. So the only thing upgraded in the centuries of operation might be the onboard subspace radio set. Oh, and perhaps somebody would install a better holodeck every few decades, too.

If the UFP needs hundreds or thousands of ships in a hurry, skipping the design phase and just using some blueprints as is would seem prudent, as the ships won't need to stand the test of time anyway. After completing their one mission, they can be immediately melted for recycling...

(The other prudent approach might be to design "ships" that are just big balloons housing tens of thousands if not millions, and then have those tugs haul them. But then one would need the tugs.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Markonian]

Some Memory Alpha articles the school is in San Francisco, and the year might be 2384. Is that within the realm of possibility?

 

[Jayson1]

One unsettling takeaway from this Short is how childhood bullying is still occurring hundreds of years from now.

Not Chief O'Brien. He wouldn't even swat a fly as a kid.

Jason

 

[Jayson1]

It's occurred to me the future now looks like it would fit in well with the future in The Orville. Perhaps it was the Kaylons who attacked while helping the Androids being programed by Romulans using tech created by the Xelayan.

Jason

 

[The Old Mixer]

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[Vger23]

So I decided to take some time to read through what people thought.

And.....

.....everyone is up in arms bitching about absolute inanities like the 5-second throwaway vfx shots of ships in the construction yards.

The fact that this surprises me shows how little I've learned.

Fuck, I need a drink.

 

[Dukhat]

So I decided to take some time to read through what people thought.

And.....

.....everyone is up in arms bitching about absolute inanities like the 5-second throwaway vfx shots of ships in the construction yards.

The fact that this surprises me shows how little I've learned.

Fuck, I need a drink.

This is what Star Trek fans on an internet bulletin board do. Where have you been for the last 20 years? At least this isn’t Facebook, where people bitch about every little minutiae of their lives to people who really don’t give a crap but will “like” their drivel anyway...

 

[Romulan_spy]

Yeah, I noticed the Disco era ships too. It was definitely weird. The production team couldn't CGI some late TNG era ships, seriously? And it's not like they have to design new ship classes from scratch. I am sure there are computer models of the Prometheus, Vesta, Odyssey or even a Galaxy class, still around somewhere that they could have used. Heck Star trek Online has a bunch of ship models that they could have borrowed.

 

[The Wormhole]

Tell you what: I’ll get over the fact that they used DSC ships if you get over that there are ships with registries starting with a zero. Deal?

Hey, now. I've made my peace with that being a Kelvin Timeline aberration which thankfully remains well outside the Prime Universe.

How many alpha quadrant ships make it to the Delta quadrant?

Or vice versa, Delta Quadrant ships ending up in the 22nd century Alpha Quadrant. Hell, one alien spaceship of the week on Voyager got reused as the Romulan droneship (described in the episode as a "modified warbird") in the Babel One/United/The Aenar storyline.

The young Starfleet officer featured in this 'Picard' trailer (at 2:12) look like an adult Kima to me. What do you think?

You talking about the Vulcan or Romulan everyone thinks is Tamlyn Tomita? Her skin isn't dark enough to be Kima.

Should have just reused the shot from the beginning of the episode, Relativity. It would have been far more appropriate.

A shot done twenty years ago for 4:3 standard definition? Inserting that into a wider screen ratio in high definition would have been a lot more problematic than it would really be worth.

Some Memory Alpha articles the school is in San Francisco, and the year might be 2384. Is that within the realm of possibility?

Being set in 2384? Maybe, there seems to be some conflicting information out there at the moment as to when Picard the series is set, though one of the dates being thrown around does make this being 2384 a valid possibility. Being in San Francisco, no, not at all. First of all, if it were in San Francisco, these girls wouldn't be the titular Children of Mars, would they? And when they are outside boarding the school bus shuttle, the sky has a red tint to it, which would heavily imply it should be Mars. And finally, I don't see why an attack on the Utopia Planitia shipyards would trigger an emergency alert at a school on Earth. Mars though, hell yeah.

 

[cooleddie74]

They definitely can't use the "we don't own the legal rights" excuse.

 

[Blooded]

I just finally watched this. Being in the UK doesn't make it easy to keep up to date!

I loved it. Once again, we're seeing a different part of the Trekverse, a few moments in the lives of characters who we would normally never get to meet on the regular shows. For me, that's perfect, and the kind of extra content I'm looking for, as the franchise mixes it up over the next few years, with regards to type of content produced.

I know people are calling this a Picard prequel, but I don't see it as that. Right now, when we don't have any other official content related to anything that takes place in Picard, so I accept that this is the first glimpse of the attack on Mars, so feels like it's setting up the new show, but I don't think it's really done that at all. This appears to take place many years before Picard, so whilst the attack on Mars is certainly a part of Picard's backstory as he heads into the new show, I don't think Children of Mars was setting up Star Trek: Picard in any way. With that view, I couldn't possibly sit here and type that I'm disappointed with the setup for Picard, because this didn't feel like it was trying to be a setup at all.

In fact, I've no idea how one or two people [in this thread] have used Children of Mars to justify unhappiness with how they think Picard is going to turn out...

Anyway, I liked the story here. Very simple. Two kids who seemingly hate each other (the human-looking girl appeared to be the main bully, I thought?), getting into it, too, only to realise that all that sh*t didn't actually matter in the grand scheme of things. Seemed they knew that they both had parents at Mars, too, so probably a little bit more familiarity between them both prior to this story.

I thought it was interesting to see school bullying in Trek, particularly in the 24th century. This style of bullying, anyway. I imagine that there are quite a few people who would recognise some of the things that these girls were doing to each, for example. It felt very real, especially the fight in the hallway that no one was breaking up.

I didn't spot any other aliens in those sequences, but may be going blind! If the co-lead was in fact the only alien there, might we suspect that there was some xenophobia going on?

Anyway, as I said, I really enjoyed this for what it was. Roll on new Trek content later this month!

 

[Tuskin38]

There's plenty of "Beta Cannon" ships that already have models made.

They could've grabbed one of those and stuck it in dry dock.

Who wouldn't want to see a Luna Class StarShip sitting in Dry Dock?

Again, that’s not how that works. They wouldn’t have access to those models.

Also canon has 1 n.

 

[Tuskin38]

Being in San Francisco, no, not at all.

You can see the San Francisco skyline outside the window in one scene.

It was a deliberate choice. The Drydock had 3 ships in it - one was used in an episode of ST: D and the "Trouble With Edward" Short Trek, and the other two were what looked like 23c era primary Hulls, with two Nacelles below on 23c style pylons with a cross brace.

All 3 of those ships were used in Discovery. The one from Edward is in the opening two parter of Season 1, and the two in the back were in the Season 2 premier.

Heck Star trek Online has a bunch of ship models that they could have borrowed.

None of those models are TV quality.

 

[Ralph O Ward III]

Hey, now. I've made my peace with that being a Kelvin Timeline aberration which thankfully remains well outside the Prime Universe.

Or vice versa, Delta Quadrant ships ending up in the 22nd century Alpha Quadrant. Hell, one alien spaceship of the week on Voyager got reused as the Romulan droneship (described in the episode as a "modified warbird") in the Babel One/United/The Aenar storyline.

You talking about the Vulcan or Romulan everyone thinks is Tamlyn Tomita? Her skin isn't dark enough to be Kima.

A shot done twenty years ago for 4:3 standard definition? Inserting that into a wider screen ratio in high definition would have been a lot more problematic than it would really be worth.

Being set in 2384? Maybe, there seems to be some conflicting information out there at the moment as to when Picard the series is set, though one of the dates being thrown around does make this being 2384 a valid possibility. Being in San Francisco, no, not at all. First of all, if it were in San Francisco, these girls wouldn't be the titular Children of Mars, would they? And when they are outside boarding the school bus shuttle, the sky has a red tint to it, which would heavily imply it should be Mars. And finally, I don't see why an attack on the Utopia Planitia shipyards would trigger an emergency alert at a school on Earth. Mars though, hell yeah.

it is a 9/11 type event.