I thought she Hallucinated Delphine, at the end of season 2.
Orphan Black Season 5 - The Final Trip
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I thought she Hallucinated Delphine, at the end of season 2.
Yep, that was probably the scene I was remembering, but as yet, Kira hasn't seen the guy, has she?
I was wondering if this messenger is more important than we've been led to believe.
Probably that too. I know I've had the Delphine vision.
Like I said, if they're crossing the line into psychic gibberish, then all bets are off and Kira could have prophetic visions. Or, again, she could've been drawing on the memories or Rachel or some other Leda clone who'd met the Messenger.
I finally saw the episode and that was pretty good. I was right about the whole immortality thing and I finally read what Christopher wrote about feminism and control of oneself. That seemed to be the theme of this episode and they really nailed it home on that one. I really hope the clones were not a by product to figure out Lin 28A and there is more to the experiment than what is up with Kira. It might make the series feel disconnected from season 5 to the rest, going all the way back to Beth jumping.
How fitting -- P.T. Westmoreland is a FAAAAKE!
I couldn't resist. But I'm pleased, because a 170-year-old man was stretching plausibility more than I was comfortable with. Now we're left only with Kira's psychic powers on the absurdity index.
Cosima remains amazing -- she managed to talk an angry mob down from attacking her and destroying her work. That doesn't happen very often. I'm glad she and Charlotte are finally off that damn island.
Have we seen an aborted impersonation before? Sarah dressing up as another clone (or vice-versa) and not actually getting to go through with it?
I couldn't resist. But I'm pleased, because a 170-year-old man was stretching plausibility more than I was comfortable with. Now we're left only with Kira's psychic powers on the absurdity index.
Cosima remains amazing -- she managed to talk an angry mob down from attacking her and destroying her work. That doesn't happen very often. I'm glad she and Charlotte are finally off that damn island.
Have we seen an aborted impersonation before? Sarah dressing up as another clone (or vice-versa) and not actually getting to go through with it?
Ok Krystal kicking that guy in the balls might be my favorite scene this season. This episode is entertaining as hell. 
Glad to see P.T. Westmoreland's lies exposed and everything he's built is crashing down. Pity it cost Susan her life. Ira isn't faring much better.
And poor Mud.
Despite the fun silliness of the side story with Krystal, things are finally moving forward. Good thing, too, because there's only four episodes left.
And poor Mud.
Despite the fun silliness of the side story with Krystal, things are finally moving forward. Good thing, too, because there's only four episodes left.
She's been my favorite character since the beginning and those actions just further elevate her esteem in my eyes.
I don't think we have. Nice to have things changed up from time to time.
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If they'd wanted to go full-on bedroom farce, they could've had Sarah start out conning the guy as Krystal and then had Krystal herself come in, and they would've kept going into the bedroom or bathroom to swap places and the guy would've been confused at how "Krystal" kept changing her attitude.
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Cosima has become my favorite character in season four and five. I almost think her relationship with Delphine (and Shay) was holding her back because from a professional and scientific standpoint, the way she has been written is really brilliant. Also I love her chemistry with Charlotte and Kira. She could be an outstanding mother.
The two prior episodes to this have been ok but last night felt like we're finally at the show's endgame. We're finally getting off the island and making Dyad the epicenter of the ending.
Also based on the preview for next week:
Cosima has become my favorite character in season four and five. I almost think her relationship with Delphine (and Shay) was holding her back because from a professional and scientific standpoint, the way she has been written is really brilliant. Also I love her chemistry with Charlotte and Kira. She could be an outstanding mother.
The two prior episodes to this have been ok but last night felt like we're finally at the show's endgame. We're finally getting off the island and making Dyad the epicenter of the ending.
Also based on the preview for next week:
Gracie is coming back so I wonder if we might see the proleatheans again. They feel like an afterthought at this point though.
HOLY SHIT!!!!!
Everything about this episode was freaking crazy.
Everything about this episode was freaking crazy.
I like Alison's new hairdo. Although I can't help wondering... Is this really Alison with a new lease on life, or could it be another Leda impersonating Alison and using her alleged new lease on life as an excuse for her personality changes? I doubt it's the latter, but I could see Donnie suspecting that it is.
Nice surprise seeing Matt Frewer back. Good job with the digital de-aging, though I don't think he was ever quite that gaunt at the age corresponding to the first flashback.
I thought at first that it was a new acting challenge for Charlotte's actress (Cynthia Galant) to play young Rachel, but of course she played young Rachel in the Duncans' home movies well before Charlotte debuted. Those are still the only two Ledas she's played; I guess we haven't had any flashbacks to kid Sarah or kid Alison or kid Cosima and oh my gosh now I want her to star in a prequel series because I'm dying to know what they were like as kids.
Nice surprise seeing Matt Frewer back. Good job with the digital de-aging, though I don't think he was ever quite that gaunt at the age corresponding to the first flashback.
I thought at first that it was a new acting challenge for Charlotte's actress (Cynthia Galant) to play young Rachel, but of course she played young Rachel in the Duncans' home movies well before Charlotte debuted. Those are still the only two Ledas she's played; I guess we haven't had any flashbacks to kid Sarah or kid Alison or kid Cosima and oh my gosh now I want her to star in a prequel series because I'm dying to know what they were like as kids.
“What's the single most terrifying thing you can see on a computer screen?”HOLY SHIT!!!!!
Everything about this episode was freaking crazy.
“M. C. Escher.”
I immediately saw that inevitable broken glass scene coming, but boy wasn't I still not prepared for that. It's the first time in my life I think I felt what it is like to want to prick your own eye out. Ambiguous feeling of the century.
That was one hell of a Rachel-centred episode, and you could sense it going places from the moment Cynthia Galant kicked it off. Little Rachel putting bricks in her wall gave me the goosebumps; a scene saw short that said so much. I think we finally saw her whole personality come together, with the storm brewing inside her that you felt throughout the episode, and the calm she projected as she fooled P.T. Convincing enough that I wasn't sure she was playing him until I saw the phone in her hand, but the entire time you knew how much she wanted to. That was intense. Finally the right people got steamrolled by Rachel Duncan, and that felt good.
At first I wasn't quite sure whether it would be Rachel or Mark who would be the one to turn the table on this one, but I'm glad it was Rachel.
I also love Tatiana's roles no longer looking like themselves, including Rachel and Alison. Stop using the looks to tip us off who she's playing.
The episode left us with a new mystery: Can Alison play the piano?
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Wow, what an episode. Just like Alison and Cosima before her, Rachel gets a very touching episode devoted to her as we draw near to the end. I wasn't sure if she was going to turn, especially after she sent the goons to take out Sarah and Siobhan, but I'm glad she finally saw the light. I was hoping she would give P.T. Westmoreland the middle finger but instead she gave him a cocktail glass stem. Even with all of the alcohol she consumed, that took a lot of courage to do. Hopefully she doesn't bleed out.
So sweet to see Matt Frewer one last time as Leakie and I agree the de-aging looked very good.
I was also hoping we would see Mark and Gracie before the end, although I wonder how they knew were Helena was hiding. Hopefully we might also get to see Cal one last time, too. Maybe even Marian? Yeah, I doubt it.
A pity Ira died. Would've been nice to have a Castor reunion.
So very glad Alison has returned. I don't it's a clone masquerading as her and I think it's far more likely she's trying to change her life, for better or for worse.
I wonder if Helena will have the next episode focused on her now that her hiding place has been discovered.
So sweet to see Matt Frewer one last time as Leakie and I agree the de-aging looked very good.
I was also hoping we would see Mark and Gracie before the end, although I wonder how they knew were Helena was hiding. Hopefully we might also get to see Cal one last time, too. Maybe even Marian? Yeah, I doubt it.
A pity Ira died. Would've been nice to have a Castor reunion.
So very glad Alison has returned. I don't it's a clone masquerading as her and I think it's far more likely she's trying to change her life, for better or for worse.
I wonder if Helena will have the next episode focused on her now that her hiding place has been discovered.
"If thine eye offends thee..."
What Rachel really needed was a Faraday cage. Or just to go somewhere with lousy wi-fi.
Yes... but they also made a point of reminding us that Rachel is a murderer, even more callous than the people who raised her, so that we wouldn't make the mistake of thinking she was suddenly a good person. It's questionable whether she did this out of any real compassion for Kira and Sarah or just to get back at Westmoreland/Mathieson by confounding his plans.
Yeah, we've become too dependent on hairstyles to differentiate them.
Speaking of differentiating the Ledas, it's interesting that Rachel was already aware of Cosima even as a little girl. Of course, she'd probably studied all their files, but Cosima was the second one she chose to mention, out of dozens of possibilities. Either that's a huge coincidence, or there was something about Cosima that made her stand out.
Now that I've had some time to calm down after that episode, I just wanted to say this paragraph is basically how I felt about it too. Yes, Rachel has done some really terrible things, and I don't think this episode was trying to completely change her. I think it was more about understanding where she's been in the past present and where she might go into the future. Someone on reddit said this and I agree 100%, this was a season's worth of character development in a 43 minute span and the way everything happened felt organic and not at all rushed. I was basically at the edge of the seat the moment of the first flashback and to see that journey happen for her almost instantly makes her the most interesting character, who had the most interesting arc, on the show.
This episode was the best episode of the season (My other favorite was the Alison episode) but I might say it's a top 3 episode of the series. The way this episode came together was really incredible.
Yeah because a 170 year old isn't fantasy.
Each season since the show premiered has gotten worse (It started off really well so it's not in hte gutter.) and season 4 rebounded a little from season 3. But season 5 has been just too far out there.
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