Yup. I said something similar but got called ageist… oh well. Still, I think you worded it better than I did.
Original premise for Pic S.3 - Terry Matalas.....
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Yup. I said something similar but got called ageist… oh well. Still, I think you worded it better than I did.
Yeah, but Riker's awesome. He should save everyone in every season finale.
I was willing to give that one a pass since that was just three(?) ships versus something that inflicted, or should have inflicted, major damage to a large number of vessels.
i definitely wanted that to be more than it was
I think the fact that precedent was set with Khan. And Locutus might also fit in that role.
Even the original plans for Star Trek XI were to feature Khan and Locutus as antagonists. If the Borg Queen included in that and she assimilates Shinzon, then we'd get Locutus.
I'm not sure if that makes sense. Maybe if it was Sidney, or Kestra. Judging by S3, Sidney makes the most sense.
But Jack's been operating outside Federation space like Seven, in the same time period. They'd be more like siblings than mentor/mentoree.
Which makes me wonder about Matalas. Even though what he wrote was still better than a lot of other ideas, it suggests an over reliance on nostalgia.
It should have been Jurati, to keep all the seasons connected, and close off the PIC loop.
The Federation was using money in the first season of Picard, after being established over and over again in TNG and the TNG films to be a moneyless society. Its clear that the Ferengi applying for membership has had an influence on Federation monetary policy.
Well, with Cardassia, a follow-up is necessary. They weren’t just a planet of the week; they got significant development that’s typically reserved for Klingons, the Romulans, and the Borg. And all that’s known is that the Federation President of the 32nd century is part Cardassian.
The Klingon, despite being allies of the Federation, have been absent from the events of PIC, so a follow-up there also made sense.
Matalas is saying that the blueprint for future Star Trek should be TNG. I’m not sure how that will work for Legacy. TNG was episodic like TOS, but what made TNG distinct was the presence of families. The Ent-G does not look like there would be families on board, beyond a few exceptions.
And wanted to model Legacy off of TNG ignores that each of the future iterations of late 24th/early 25th century Starfleet (“All Good Things…”, “The Visitor”, “Timeless”, “Endgame”) have reiterated the same psychological themes:
- A sterile, bureaucratic police state
- A cold and rigid institutional numbness
- A completely detached corporate-minded bureaucracy
- A hollowed out and cold utopia built on the unaddressed trauma of the past
IDK if Matalas want to write a show where the main characters have to admit how broken they actually are, and confront how the Federation as an institution fails to heal its people. And instead forces them to internalize their trauma, survivor’s guilt and grief. Even though the set up is definitely there.
That not even accounting how it needs to be topical with AI (maybe Moriarty becomes a synths right revolutionary? Or the Shawlogram in general?), climate change (a “Force of Nature” sequel), totalitarianism and xenophobia (featuring an ICE-like Starfleet on far away outposts), immigration (Romulan refugees, or Dominion citizens relocating into the Federation), disenfranchisement (Vashti) and Cold War II/2.0 with the Klingons & Romulans. Even America not being viewed as a shining city on a hill or considered a reliable ally anymore (the Federation and its post-NEM foreign policy) should be addressed.
I don't sense that with Matalas. I just get the sense he'd rather focus on nostalgia.
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Legacy isn’t going to happen, so I’d say it’s not a worry how it’s going to work.
Source?
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Ah, it’s okay. Did a little reading. It seems typically you are conflating ‘the original plans’ with ‘someone had an idea’ again.
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The Fenris Rangers use money not the Federation. We've seen humans living outside core Federation territories using currency before.
It seems unlikely the Ferengi would successfully become Federation members, the debates when it comes to being a cashless society when interacting with every other Federation member would stall things out for a few years with the Synth attack on Mars and the resulting isolationist policies collapsing it.
Lower Decks already explained away that episode's shenans and the reason for inconsistencies following.
The more I hear about Spiner and Logan's pitch for Star Trek IX, the more glad I am it wasn't made, because it sounds like pure fanwank.
Brent Spiner said:
Awful.
Brent Spiner should not be given a platform from which he can pitch ideas. He doesn't have any good ones.
The problems with that plan for XI go way beyond cost.
He's great on the stage... not on the page.
Pulling Data out of time just before the Scimitar detonates isn't a terrible concept. Hell, I tried using it for Pocket's "Strange New Worlds" contest. I had the Timefleet plucking Data out of time, and they send him back in time to recover some manuscripts from the Great Library of Alexandria. I couldn't make it work, and typing this out now, over twenty years later, I think I just solved my problems at the time. I didn't answer the question, "Why Data?" except I thought it was a cool concept. The answer to the question just occurred to me--Wouldn't the burning of the Library of Alexandria draw time travelers like flies? What if some temporal power put up a barrier to lock out time travelers to prevent their interference? And what if Data, because he's an android and not life, can get through the barrier and recover the manuscripts? But that's just it. You have to have a story that justifies it, and Spiner's thumbnail sketch sounds like it's cool-driven rather than story-driven
I wonder how high Spiner and Logan were when they came up with this. Or if it was just a completely non-serious idea that Spiner thought would be funny to mention in an interview, both knowing there wouldn’t be a chance in hell of Paramount producing it.
Personally, I think Spiner and Logan were serious about the pitch. Nemesis' failure to launch spared us from what would probably have been a disaster.
Would it have worked? I don't know. Conceptually I'm reminded of Spider-Man: No Way Home, which a lot of people really liked.
Would it have worked? I don't know. Conceptually I'm reminded of Spider-Man: No Way Home, which a lot of people really liked.
Well, they talk about a script, which is a little further along than a pitch.
I think Spiner at least was serious because Spiner has always been pretty serious when it comes to getting paid.
The Crisis on Infinite Earths approach to Star Trek would have been pretty disastrous. Sure a big crossover event could work but only with their contemporaries, once you start bringing in plot contrivances to justify the fact that you didn't start with a story and just started with let's bring all the characters together it collapses. Generations I feel worked well, it felt like it was part of the plot just fine but that was also only one character being transplanted.
Of course it was lapped up with Picard season 3 but 20 years had passed, the glasses had time to tint. Reunions can't capitalise on nostalgia after only a couple of years.
Of course it was lapped up with Picard season 3 but 20 years had passed, the glasses had time to tint. Reunions can't capitalise on nostalgia after only a couple of years.
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