Spoilers New Short Trek - Q&A

[Rainard Fox]

Despite that, I'm still not warming up to Peck as Spock. Both Nimoy and Quinto had an intensity to their performance, that's just lacking in Peck. Nimoy and Quinto at times felt almost dangerous should they ever loose their tight control. Peck seemed... too friendly? Right from the start?

I had a schoolmate who seemed very friendly ever. A single time I've seen him in anger looked like an end of the world.
Peck's Spock was very dangerous (and stubborn) when prevented others to stop Burnham's dying during hunt on RA. Absolutely "my" Spock!

 

[Rahul]

I had a schoolmate who seemed very friendly ever. A single time I've seen him in anger looked like an end of the world.
Peck's Spock was very dangerous (and stubborn) when prevented others to stop Burnham's dying during hunt on RA. Absolutely "my" Spock!

He didn't convince me very much during season 2.

But in this short - singing and smiling and all that - was very much original Spock. The writing and character's action fit that character.

My problem is the acting. He's just missing the edge that Nimoy and Quinto had in their performances.

I don't think your story about a quiet/angry schoolmate changed any of that. I don't want Spock to be a friendly acting quiet psycho. But the other actors managed to show - even in the little moments - that there might be a reason why Spock was so self-disciplined all the time.

 

[fireproof78]

Despite that, I'm still not warming up to Peck as Spock. Both Nimoy and Quinto had an intensity to their performance, that's just lacking in Peck. Nimoy and Quinto at times felt almost dangerous should they ever loose their tight control. Peck seemed... too friendly? Right from the start?

I would call it "eager to please" and certainly understandable to some degree. I don't need Spock to always feel dangerous.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Nimoy and Quinto at times felt almost dangerous should they ever loose their tight control. Peck seemed... too friendly? Right from the start? Also, I think the whole directing felt super rushed, I would have loved this to play out much slower, as one of more plotlines of a real episode.

To be honest the only time Spock felt dangerous to me was when he slapped the phaser out of Valeris's hand in TUC. Seriously, if looks could kill. Quinto will always be Sylar for me and therefore I couldn't engage with his Spock.

During this short Spock is like 18 and fresh out of the academy, he's still figuring out his identity and hasn't had his hopes and dreams crushed by a 40 - 60 hour work week like the rest of us. Give him some slack.

 

[Nenya]

My issue with the turbolift funhouse is that it makes me feel like the people in charge don't care about any sort of "reality" in this universe. I know reality isn't the best word to use but it feels like they can't even be bothered to understand how the ship is put together. It just doesn't make sense in universe. That's just my opinion though and I'm sure someone else can say it better than I can.

 

[fireproof78]

My issue with the turbolift funhouse is that it makes me feel like the people in charge don't care about any sort of "reality" in this universe. I know reality isn't the best word to use but it feels like they can't even be bothered to understand how the ship is put together. It just doesn't make sense in universe. That's just my opinion though and I'm sure someone else can say it better than I can.

I'm of two minds on this one. On the one hand, I absolutely want the technical details to line up and to make sense. That's a part of worldbuilding and makes for a believable world.

On the other hand, personally, I am fatigued by the constant need for technical correctness. To me, the funhouse, as much as I don't like it, is simply there for that-fun. They are having fun with the design, and if it suits their purpose in the story to change it they will. But, right now, I don't mind the production team having a little fun with their product.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Those should look more TOS).

The Prime Directive is a plot device, to be ignored or followed at the whims of the plot. It’s there to create conflict for the characters. This was as true in TOS as it was in other shows.

 

[Nenya]

I'm of two minds on this one. On the one hand, I absolutely want the technical details to line up and to make sense. That's a part of worldbuilding and makes for a believable world.

On the other hand, personally, I am fatigued by the constant need for technical correctness. To me, the funhouse, as much as I don't like it, is simply there for that-fun. They are having fun with the design, and if it suits their purpose in the story to change it they will. But, right now, I don't mind the production team having a little fun with their product.

Nothing wrong with fun, but the turbolift funhouse is just insulting.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It should keep the Treknologists busy for a few decades.

 

[Nenya]

It should keep the Treknologists busy for a few decades.

It's rewriting the book!

 

[Bad Thoughts]

BTW, is the episode supposed to presage TWOK, when Spock tells Kirk that it is not his ambition to captain a vessel beyond his role as an instructor?

 

[fireproof78]

Nothing wrong with fun, but the turbolift funhouse is just insulting.

Not sure how its insulting but ok...mileage will vary.

 

[Nenya]

Not sure how its insulting but ok...mileage will vary.

I should have said insulting to me. My mistake.

 

[fireproof78]

I should have said insulting to me. My mistake.

No, I get that it is insulting to you and by all means that's fine. I'm just trying to figure out how it is insulting...that's all.

I don't agree but I do want to hear another POV.

 

[Nenya]

No, I get that it is insulting to you and by all means that's fine. I'm just trying to figure out how it is insulting...that's all.

I don't agree but I do want to hear another POV.

It just flies in the face of decades of what we've seen in regards to the internals of ships. Discovery and the Short Treks are supposed to be in the same universe as the rest of the series, but some things are so different that it doesn't make sense. I can forgive obvious visual differences but this was too much for me.

 

[fireproof78]

It just flies in the face of decades of what we've seen in regards to the internals of ships. Discovery and the Short Treks are supposed to be in the same universe as the rest of the series, but some things are so different that it doesn't make sense. I can forgive obvious visual differences but this was too much for me.

Fair enough. As I said, I don't take it that seriously, nor do I see the need to. The uniforms and other visuals I can accept but the turbolift shaft I just ignore.

 

[Rahul]

The Prime Directive is a plot device, to be ignored or followed at the whims of the plot. It’s there to create conflict for the characters. This was as true in TOS as it was in other shows.

It's also an important part of world-building, and the reason why the Trek universe is the way it is: Very diverse, with many different species and cultures taking very different approaches, and none being judged as "better" or "worse", and societies being allowed to develop on their own and find their own ways.

This is in stark contrast to a universe without the prime directive, like Star Wars, or Stargate, in which essentially one mono-culture has taken over all known species, and shaped the galaxy's society after itself in a colonial age way.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's also an important part of world-building, and why the Trek universe is the way it is: Very diverse, with many different species and cultures taking very different approaches, and none being judged as "better" or "worse", and societies being allowed to develop on their own and find their own ways.

This is in stark contrast to a universe without the prime directive, like Star Wars, or Stargate, in which essentially one mono-culture has taken over all known species, and shaped the galaxy's society after itself in a colonial age way.

That’s a bit of a reach. The Prime Directive has little if anything to do withe the diversity of the Federation or in Star Trek. Sounds like you’re conflating it with IDIC.

 

[Rahul]

That’s a bit of a reach. The Prime Directive has little if anything to do withe the diversity of the Federation or in Star Trek. Sounds like you’re conflating it with IDIC.

The prime directive was invented to stop colonialism. It's stopping the universe from being a mono-cultured colonized world. I don't see were that's reaching anywhere.

 

[The Wormhole]

Nothing wrong with fun, but the turbolift funhouse is just insulting.

Don't get me wrong, I hate the turbolift funhouse, but insulting? That's a bit over the top. It's stupid, it's idiotic, I groan every time I see it, but if you actually get insulted by it you're way too invested for your own good.