Spoilers New Short Trek - Q&A

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Tuskin38, Oct 5, 2019.

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How Would You Rate This Short?

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  1. Happy X-Mas (War Is Over)

    Happy X-Mas (War Is Over) If You Want It Premium Member

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    A zippered top is not a bathrobe. And you anecdotal story while its sounds unfortunate, it seems to be an extreme situation and not a reason to live in fear of being around women.
     
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  2. Yistaan

    Yistaan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    And an argument can be made that they have the right to come out of their bathroom with a bathrobe that isn't perfectly on. Yet it was used as a complaint.

    Regardless, their criminal nature is apparent by all their other actions, but the bathrobe thing when they are actually coming out of the bathroom does strike me as a stretch (their other actions very much are not, like I said I despise Weinstein, Rose, etc. and hope they face justice in jail).
     
  3. Happy X-Mas (War Is Over)

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    I think the context involving the bathrobe goes far beyond just coming out of a bathroom. The situations are hardly comparable.
     
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  4. Yistaan

    Yistaan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I'll have to read the legal complaints, but if it's a separate complaint in itself I don't think that alone holds water. We're all looking at it in the context of their other criminal actions.

    Regardless, I know people threatened with restaining orders for eating in the dorm foodhall. I've had enough experience to know you can never be too careful, period.
    It's not so much fear of being around the opposite gender as just being ultra careful with your actions. I'd be in an elevator like Spock and Number One, but in no way would I act even close the way Number One did. Small talk and a joke or two, but outright singing etc. (unless the other person specifically requested it) would just annoy people and I'm aware of that.

    The fact of the matter is that if Una were not in a command situation, Spock would likely tell her to cut it out. And doing things you wouldn't do if you weren't in power is never a good sign.

    And if it got hot, I would say so before removing clothing.
     
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  5. Noname Given

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    ^^^
    Again, some people are used to Berman style Trek where practically ANY action taken was specifically stated to the audience (sometimes MULTIPLE times within the same scene). :)
     
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  6. DaveyNY

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    Not necessarily, but the Engineer was putzing around with trying to get the thing working again and it seems she wasn't having any luck trying several different things.
    Whatever she did could have also messed up the temperature controls at some point even though it wasn't mentioned.
     
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  7. DaveyNY

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    I think we all have to remember that what we're viewing is a TV show set in a completely different time frame from our own.
    Applying today's standard's to it can lead to several rabbit holes that may best be left alone.
    (or taking the conversation to TNZ)
    :techman:
     
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  8. Cyrus

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    A good description of your contribution to this thread too.
     
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  9. DaveyNY

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    I read that completely differently...

    "That was terribly good.., God."

    I've often prayed for terribly good Trek episodes.
    ;)
     
  10. DEWLine

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    Well, I had fun watching this.

    Yes, I'm still thrown by the way they depict turbolifts at present. Yes, there's a power dynamic in play here that can and does make some of us 21st-century humans ill at ease. But we're looking at an alternate-history version of the 2250's for about 15 minutes of our time, and a handful of the people of several species living therein.

    I had fun.
     
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  11. Greg Cox

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    "Tell me about it," says Deanna Troi. :)
     
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  12. Serveaux

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    Come on, the entire story was a soft-core version of a porn fantasy scenario, played with a wink at the audience.

    Liked the short very much, by the way.
     
  13. eschaton

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    This isn't a Berman Trek thing only. TOS was just like this too. Indeed, it's been noted before that TOS episodes work quite well as "radio plays" - insofar as nothing which is onscreen is that important to the plot, and every important action on the bridge is narrated.

    The only general exceptions I can think of this in the past - where Trek has been into visual storytelling - was when there was a conscious effort to incorporate elements of horror or suspense into individual episodes, as those are much more visceral genres.
     
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  14. El Maestro

    El Maestro Captain Captain

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    I am late to this thread and have no idea what is going on above with bathrobes or whatever but I will say that it is criminal that they have not announced a show with this cast yet.
     
  15. plynch

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    It is almost criminal where this thread went. Number One harrassed Spock by loosening her tunic a bit in a stuffy elevator for hours. Movin on.
     
  16. Trim Thomason

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    Couple ideas:

    I think the environmental controls were working fine, it's just that Una was exerting herself, physically and mentally and needed to cool down. And, psychologically, she was trapped, so it makes sense that she might loosen her attire. Symbolically, it was also tied in with her being less stuffy overall and loosening her behavior, at least around Spock.

    I don't know about all this other stuff. The short was pretty semi-clear that she only had eyes for the Captain.
     
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  17. Noname Given

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    Um, no TOS was never as bad as TNG in that regard. And when they did do something akin to that they didn't repeat in in the same scene.
     
  18. Foxhot

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    Spock was a bit unhinged at the beginning of Season One (not referring to THE NAKED TIME), though that's because his character wasn't totally cemented yet. MUDD'S WOMEN? Dig that head tilt, plus his pleasure at announcing ''Walsh'''s presence to Kirk. He's even more out of control in THE CAGE, with his extreme happiness with the plants and his raised voiced on the bridge. Plus the shouting in WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE.

    Again, the key officers were still ''getting to know'' their characters. Even Uhura was practically sleeping in the briefing room once.
     
  19. eschaton

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    Yeah, early Season 1 of TOS is why I'm firmly a "Doylist" not a "Watsonian." There's so much there that doesn't make sense from a within-universe standpoint, but it's fascinating to watch from an authorial intent standpoint as you see them basically create the Trekverse on the fly.
     
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  20. Yistaan

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    The most jarring change is how the Enterprise started as an Earth ship and became a Federation ship sometime in Season 1 (and later retconned to always have been a Federation ship).

    The fact that the Romulan War was not a war against the Federation is a holdover from this sudden change (thus the founding of the Federation is dated immediately after the war, which was stated to be a century before 'Balance of Terror').
     
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