Spoilers New Short Trek - Q&A

[fireproof78]

Maybe if there was a turbolift funhouse on the Enterprise-D everyone on that ship would have been less anally retentive and TNG would have been 25% more interesting to watch.

Not likely.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Need we pull up Eddington's speech comparing the Federation to the Borg?

No, because it's a bunch of horseshit.

The Federation never forces worlds to join against their will. They have the right to make their case - to point out the benefits that a world would realize if they DID join. But if that world chooses not to, then the Federation will leave them alone, no questions asked.

So Eddington has some nerve comparing the Federation to the Borg. The Borg assimilate by force; the Federation invites peacefully. They're nothing alike.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I somehow doubt it. The turbolift funhouse is plain dumb,

Not likely.

Pull the sticks out of your butts, It was a joke.

 

[BillJ]

Pull the sticks out of your butts, It was a joke.

Stick is fine where it is at.

 

[fireproof78]

Pull the sticks out of your butts, It was a joke.

It doesn't make it any less true.

 

[Nenya]

too invested for your own good.

Maybe I am but I've been watching most of my life (I'm 38) and it was insulting to me. Like they didn't even bother to think about how the interior of the ship works.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Maybe I am but I've been watching most of my life (I'm 38) and it was insulting to me. Like they didn't even bother to think about how the interior of the ship works.

It would be better if you were to file it next to "Heisenberg Compensator".

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Pull the sticks out of your butts, It was a joke.

 

[Noname Given]

The prime directive was invented to stop colonialism. It's stopping the universe from being a mono-cultured colonized world. I don't see were that's reaching anywhere.

The Prime Directive was introduced to add more drama into a situation where the writers felt it was needed for the story - and trotted out again anytime that was the case. I say that because there are plenty of situations where the Federation was in an 'ancient astronaut' type situations where the drama presented was engaging enough the writers DIDN'T mention it.

 

[drt]

Based on the Kelvinverse Enterprise, and not really contradicted by anything in TOS, I’ve decided that the saucer features a more regular deck arrangement, while the engineering hull is basically a shell built around a bunch of BigMachines™ such as the transporter, navigational deflector, warp engine reactors/power distribution, hangar spaces, connecting corridors for personnel, etc. The turbolift funhouse just snakes around all this crap until it gets to the saucer.

I'm of two minds on this one. On the one hand, I absolutely want the technical details to line up and to make sense. That's a part of worldbuilding and makes for a believable world.

On the other hand, personally, I am fatigued by the constant need for technical correctness. To me, the funhouse, as much as I don't like it, is simply there for that-fun. They are having fun with the design, and if it suits their purpose in the story to change it they will. But, right now, I don't mind the production team having a little fun with their product.

Maybe this is what gave me the idea above, if you look at the cutaway diagram Drexler made for “In a Mirror, Darkly” the secondary hull and dorsal seems like they might reflect the BigMachines™ concept.

I can easily see where the visible turboshafts are the funhouse rails if everything around them is more an open framework where all of that machinery is mounted.

 

[fireproof78]

I can easily see where the visible turboshafts are the funhouse rails if everything around them is more an open framework where all of that machinery is mounted.

Since the original concept of the Enterprise was no machinery outside (for the most part) as it could be accessed all inside this actually makes some sense.

 

[BillJ]

Maybe this is what gave me the idea above, if you look at the cutaway diagram Drexler made for “In a Mirror, Darkly” the secondary hull and dorsal seems like they might reflect the BigMachines™ concept.

I can easily see where the visible turboshafts are the funhouse rails if everything around them is more an open framework where all of that machinery is mounted.

That looks pretty tightly packed, nothing like the funhouse.

 

[Nenya]

That looks pretty tightly packed, nothing like the funhouse.

Nowhere near enough room to fly around workbees inside the ship.

 

[Rahul]

No, because it's a bunch of horseshit.

The Federation never forces worlds to join against their will. They have the right to make their case - to point out the benefits that a world would realize if they DID join. But if that world chooses not to, then the Federation will leave them alone, no questions asked.

So Eddington has some nerve comparing the Federation to the Borg. The Borg assimilate by force; the Federation invites peacefully. They're nothing alike.

Thank you for making sense!

This whole debate reminded me of that infamous Bill O'Reilly speech: "the radical left is alright with everything, as long as there's consent".

Like... yeah?
That's exactly the point?

 

[Yistaan]

Long ago the Federation got TARDIS tech from Gallifrey. They don't want rivals like the Klingons to have them, so they put up the pretense of technical specs etc. and only commanding officers and engineers know the truth. But really, Starfleet ships are bigger on the inside than on the outside.

 

[BillJ]

...and only commanding officers and engineers know the truth.

That's busted now as Spock and Number One had to be pulled out of the turbolift.

 

[fireproof78]

That looks pretty tightly packed, nothing like the funhouse.

Wish I had a 3d model of the interior. Hard to determine exactly how things hang together.

 

[Tenacity]

The Federation never forces worlds to join against their will.

Again, Eminiar Seven, treaty port.

 

[Noname Given]

Again, Eminiar Seven, treaty port.

Kirk didn't do what he did to force them to join. He did it to save the lives of his crew and his ship. Anon COULD have used the emergency line (mentioned at the end of the episode) to try and broker an exception, but he didn't.

Also, to be fair, we don't know what the ultimate resolution to all this was. All Fox reported to the Enterprise and talks started between the two worlds was "Outlook hopeful".

 

[BillJ]

Also, to be fair, we don't know what the ultimate resolution to all this was. All Fox reported to the Enterprise and talks started between the two worlds was "Outlook hopeful".

At the beginning of the episode, Fox says he is there to essentially force a treaty port on the Eminians.