New project - TOS Enterprise 1341-foot version full interior 3D model

Discussion in 'Fan Art' started by Toddard, Apr 17, 2022.

  1. Jim Botaitis

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    I don't mind if you use my blueprints. Will we be able to see your work somewhere?
     
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  2. gmd3d

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    Thanks, it was fun looking at my favourite ship design, and also very pleased to meet you as someone else who has tackled this design in a meaningful technical way also regarding its size, which never bother me until I saw it in 3d.

    salute
     
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  3. yotsuya

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    Yes it is just the two dimensions (length and diameter of the nacelle, but from that you can calculate the size of the rest of the ship based on the drawings. When you can instantly recognize the source of the dimension, you don't even really have to calculate it.

    But like I said, for Discovery and SNW, that display is in error. It does not match the CG visuals we see of the ship (straight pylons vs. angled) or the apparent scale of the CG work. But it is the first time to my knowledge that a specific and readable dimension of the NCC-1701 has appeared on screen. The next closest was in The Enterprise Incident where the drawing appeared with a scale and that same drawing was also in several printed sources at the same time making an accurate scaling possible. I just find it hilarious that it appeared in a series that has very specifically upscaled and redesigned the ship and when you see the entire screen, it is even more hilarious. I think technically that data may have appeared on screen before since those pages of the Tech Manual were used in various displays in Star Trek II and III, but the only thing large enough to be readable in that instance was the registry.

    I'm far more interested in this project which is a more modest upscaling than the SNW plaque has, and how the space will be utilized. One of the things that many forget is that the complement of the Enterprise under Pike was 203. That has been doubled down by Burnham's dialog in Discovery (repeated from The Cage/The Menagerie). Under Kirk it was increased to 430. The original 947 dimension is very spacious for 203 people and fairly spacious for 430. I imagine the equipment was bulkier and some updates opened some space. But the larger scale has more space for sensors and cargo. As we have seen, SNW is imagining a great deal of hollow space (the turboshaft scenes) which I think is unrealistic.

    And has anyone tried to scale Doug Drexler's cutaway?[​IMG]

    In a slightly different format (looks like a wireframe version) it appeared on screen.
    [​IMG]
     
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  4. Professor Moriarty

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    I have a thread in this forum already dedicated to my stuff. Thanks!
     
  5. Jim Botaitis

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    No, but what I did a few years ago was take that drawing and make a one-engined ship (not really Hermes-Class) out of it using Photoshop.
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    This was before I learned of the MASAO-Class starship and drew it using Illustrator.
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    All of which can be seen here:
    http://www.jbot.ca/space/10ma.shtml
     
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  6. Professor Moriarty

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    Oh nice! I have always liked this clever design by Masao… much more elegant than dropping the deflector dish down on a telephone pole from the lower sensor array.
     
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  7. Mytran

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    Using the crewmen and doors I scaled it out to 1,420'6" feet long.
    This gives 10' high ceilings and 21'6" long shuttles.
    All measurements are approximate of course ;)

    @Toddard this is a fantastic project, I can't believe I've just stumbled across it now! :eek:
    It's so great to see the art of @Jim Botaitis brought to life even more than the original deck plans.
     
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  8. blssdwlf

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    Just because the nacelle dimension coincidentally matches the TMOST Enterprise nacelle dimension doesn't make the rest the same. This "Pre-Disco Enterprise" variant displayed in Discovery S2E1 works out to an overall length of ~280m, width of ~117m and height of ~56m. She's smaller than the TMOST Enterprise.

    Perhaps it was more than a coincidence that Stamets was obscuring the other dimensions? :)

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    So in the Disco/SNW grouping we have these Enterprise versions:
    Pre-Disco Enterprise - shown on display with straight nacelle struts - 280m
    Disco Enterprise - swept-back nacelle struts ???m
    SNW Enterprise - swept-back nacelle struts with added windows on forward saucer edge - 442m?

    Discovery is just continuing the tradition of displaying a variant of the Enterprise on the computer screen which is different than the current Enterprise is in the episode. This was done in "The Enterprise Incident", "The Motion Picture", "The Search for Spock", etc. :D YMMV
     
  9. Professor Moriarty

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    I say just go with what works and fits the geometry we see onscreen, which is exactly what Jim and Toddard are doing. Until, that is, one of our heroes actually utters dialogue along the lines of “well after all, everyone knows the Enterprise is 288.65 meters long!” :mallory:
     
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  10. blssdwlf

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    Exactly. No TOS episode has said or shown the dimensions of the Kirk's TOS Enterprise. :D
     
  11. Mytran

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    No doubt a security feature, to stop classified information from being obtained by whatever entity is trying to take over the ship that week :devil:
     
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  12. publiusr

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    If the saucer/secondary hull combo was 947 ft., what would the length be with nacelles?
     
  13. Mytran

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    Using the Casimiro orthos, I came up with an overall length of 1,315 feet if the combo hull was 947'
     
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  14. David cgc

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    Even so, I’ve notice that the Halo rings from the Halo video games were retconned with a new design with a wider band a long time ago, but every official book and reference still uses the same figures calculated from the original, skinny model made for the first game.
     
  15. blssdwlf

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    It is very clever! That's why the Romulans didn't settle for copying schematics in "The Enterprise Incident" and patiently wanted to get the physical Enterprise as the schematics would've been out-of-date/inaccurate ;)
     
  16. publiusr

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    Thank you for that.
    Very close to the JBOT prints here.

    Now, I bet you could get Shaw’s AMT Enterprise to come out to 947…with the bridge rotated a few degrees.

    http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/AMT_1966_project/1966_amt_enterprise.jpg
    https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/treknographics101/plans-of-the-amt-18-inch-enterprise-t64-s80.html

    On the production-finished 11 footer, the bridge is tiny compared to the rest of the saucer. The AMT is very like FJ’s Constitution in that the bridge seems larger in relation to the saucer…just eyeballing.

    So my ideal retcon chart would have NCC-1000s as the Conestoga class (AMT) with FJ’s booklet as Achernar upgrade…and the JBOT being “as built” something…
     
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  17. Mytran

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    But even closer to the @gmd3d Enterprise. Astonishing coincidence!
    I just want to add how much I really loved stumbling across your designs a few years ago. Based on the visuals in the episodes, a larger Enterprise has always made more sense to me and now I could see fully realised designs of what that might look like taken even further!
     
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