And I still don't see why what I believe is a problem for you since it's just my belief and I'm not going out of my way to make you or anyone else believe it too.
Clearly you're not the only one who believes this stuff, or you'd be a church of one.
I never said YOU are going out of your way. But there are many who do go out of their way.
So let me get this straight: The OP asks how Christians reconcile the idea of a trinity with the notion that Christianity is monotheistic. I, as a member of a Christian religion, explained how I reconciled it, and out of all the religious posts in this thread, mine shakes you to the bone because I articulated it clearly?
If you post in a public thread, you shouldn't be surprised to discover that some people discover something you've said that either pleases or displeases them and they may decide to comment on it.
Don't flatter yourself, btw. I'm hardly "shaken to the bone" by what you've said here. You're not among the politicians who are determined to do an end run around the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (hint: I'm Canadian) and proselytize public school kids as young as 5 years old.
Back at'cha.
Okay, let's start with something we agree on: I don't think any kind of religious education should be forced on any public school students either. Heck, I went to religious schools from first grade to twelfth and I wasn't crazy about the religious education I had to endure there. The point is, religion is not science and it's not history and the only places where it should be part of the curriculum are schools where teaching about the religion is the point.
Okay, we agree on this (except I attended public schools and had to put up with mandatory morning prayer depending on which teachers did it, from Grade 1 until the year I was a student teacher at a public elementary school and was
ordered to participate in religious rituals against my will and conscience).
With that said, while I don't see how you managed to connect what I stated with a minister I've never heard of in a country I'm not in forcing religion onto a school system I don't have any kids in, there are numerous solutions to your problem. If the minister is a problem, vote him out. If you've got to vote out his whole party, vote them out. If voting out religious idiots isn't an option for you, protest the decision in whatever medium available. If protesting will get you shot, keep your kids out of the school system and home-school them. If keepng your kids out school gets the local family services busybodies knocking on your door, leave the country and move to one where the education system isn't run by zealots. Come to the United States. One of our founding tenets is religious freedom - including the freedom to not be religious - and our president is just letting everybody in right now.
Oh, please. Spare me the "land of the free" speech. The last time I was in your country was in 1987, at a weekend Doctor Who fan event, and have had no reason to want to return since then.
You're making quite a number of unjustified assumptions. I know that the zealots running my province (Alberta, which is in Western Canada) will not have any effect on you or your family.
What they are gung-ho about doing is shoehorning their religious beliefs into the K-6 school curriculum, no matter which system the kids attend. This stuff is already taught in the Catholic system, so I assume those parents don't mind. But to proselytize kids in the public system and other systems - some of which are faith-based but not Christian - is unacceptable. It goes against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that guarantees freedom of religion (the conservatives in this country can't seem to wrap their minds around the idea that this part of the Charter also means freedom
from religion as well) by presenting Christianity not in a neutral way as a comparative religion unit should do, but as factual, over and above other faiths, or atheism.
For some bizarre reason, I and people like me tend to feel rather insulted when told that because we're atheists, we are immoral people with no reason not to commit every crime or unethical act imaginable. And this is the kind of bullshit school kids will be exposed to with this curriculum.
The only part of your long-winded list of "remedies" that is actually realistic in this situation is what I've been suggesting to the numerous people who are angry about this situation and considering steps such as leaving the province (since you could run a cow pie under any conservative banner here and it would be elected): Homeschooling. It's what I'd be doing if I had kids who would be subjected to this. Most people think of homeschooling as faith-based, done by parents who don't think any formal school system could ever be "moral" enough, but of course anyone can homeschool their kids as long as they jump through all the legal hoops.
Religious proselytizing isn't the only problem with this new curriculum, of course. There are other issues that have teachers and parents and many of the general public angry about it. But since we're not discussing those issues here, I won't go into them.
So, are we good...or do you still have a problem with me having a belief you don't like?
Y'know, people on this forum like accusing me of taking things personally... like I said, it's not you I have the problem with. It's the beliefs. If you insist on taking that as a personal affront, be my guest. It's your blood pressure.
Because I've been a moderator elsewhere. And 1001001, among others, have complained about me posting political views. Having enforced rules in another forum, I choose to follow the rules in a forum I'm not moderating. Think of it as an Italian police officer obeying the local laws on a trip to England.
So because you've been a moderator elsewhere, that gives you dictatorial rights here? Funny... I'm a moderator and admin on other forums, yet I know that doesn't give me the right to dictate what's allowed on this forum.
In other words, you can't refute what I said so you declare it to be ridiculous. Clever, but I've seen the tactic before. People probably thought Pasteur was full of it, too.
For some reason I'm having thoughts of going to the kitchen and pouring myself a glass of milk. That's about the sum total of what Pasteur means to me at this point.
I had nothing to do with that. The school system I work for won't even allow Chrustmas carols.
That's unfortunate. One of my fannish activities is writing filksongs. Christmas carols provide great source material for when I don't feel like composing a new melody.
I find atheism equally fantastical. It is the belief that science will one day prove what it currently debunks.
You have just shown that you have no clue what atheism is. Your second sentence doesn't even make sense.
