Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

  1. A+

    20.5%
  2. A

    30.5%
  3. A-

    13.9%
  4. B+

    7.9%
  5. B

    13.2%
  6. B-

    2.6%
  7. C+

    2.0%
  8. C

    3.3%
  9. C-

    2.6%
  10. D+

    0 vote(s)
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  11. D

    0.7%
  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
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  13. F

    2.6%
  1. The Nth Doctor

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    Exactly, considering he's the one introducing a version of Kang in Quantumania
     
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  4. The Nth Doctor

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    There's another yet-to-be-announced animated series coming if this Facebook post from animator Brian Kesinger is to believed:

    *EXCITING NEWS* I can’t believe I actually get to say this but this fall I will be directing a new animated series at marvel studios! I can’t share any more details yet because the project hasn’t been announced but I can say it’s VERY cool! Thanks to everyone who has supported me on my artistic journey. Excelsior! #marvel #mcu #animation #newjob
     
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    Looking forward to seeing MAN-THING in Werewolf By Night
     
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    Rule number one: Never read the comments!

    (Yes, morbid curiosity made me read them, too)
     
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    I never read comments, until now. :eek:
     
  10. Oso Blanco

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    There is one point in the comments I can understand ... that without the super serum, Sam is just another guy. I wonder if they will address that in the movie?
     
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    Just another guy. A highly trained military para-rescue, with a state of the art flight suit, a shield that can effectively block anything on earth and a Wakandan made (and thus probably vibranium) uniform. Who spent years fighting and training alongside Steve Rogers. But sure, just another guy.

    No, he isn't super strong. But neither was Natasha, and quite frankly Sam comes out the better in that comparison with all his equipment factored in.

    Also, if you (or, perhaps more accurately, the commenters in question) think that what made Captain America had anything to do with Steve's super strength, you (or they) weren't paying attention. What made Steve Great was the man he was, not the power in his body.
     
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    "Whatever happens tomorrow, you must promise me one thing. That you will remain who you are. Not a perfect soldier, but a good man."

    --Abraham Erskine to Steve Rogers the day before the Super Soldier experiment.


    "You're good man, Sam."

    --Steve Rogers to Sam Wilson when he passed the shield.
     
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    Yeah, the serum isn't what makes a person Captain America, nor is it the shield, or the spangley outfit. I think that's been very firmly established right from the get-go, and re-emphasised multiple times since. So the idea that a guy who's been an Avenger for *years* just can't cut it is frankly dumb. He can and has been cutting it this whole time.
     
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    Exactly. Also, in my eyes, what made Sam even more qualified to be Captain America was that he was the first Avenger to recognize the questionable aspect of the Sokovia Accords. And he was the first to reject it. I know many claim that Steve was the first and others - including Sam - had simply followed his example. But it was Sam who had first rejected it. Steve had merely flip-flopped on the idea, until midway into "Civil War".
     
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    Yes, that "just another guy" statement has always been suspicion-inducing, but its nothing new where criticisms of Sam Wilson as Captain America are concerned. Not only is the criticism unjustified (considering all of the non-powered humans routinely fighting super-robots, enhanced people and aliens in the MCU, yet few complain about that...yeah...), but if anyone ever read...you know...the comics, they would know Sam already took on the Captain America ID.

    Of course, but there's just something that bothers the Hell out of certain MCU fans about Wilson as Cap.....

    Well put, and MCU-Sam is one of the few characters who is as consistently upstanding and wisely placing his job / motives in a historical context as Rogers. They are unique among MCU characters, with traits as much a vital part of being Captain America as shields or Super Soldier experiments.

    The most significant takeaways from the article:

    "And again, as a paranoid thriller, it's this grounded adventure where I think that everything that happens in this film feels so real and intense..."

    Excellent. Its going to be a grounded, paranoid thriller (with fantasy elements, of course), just like the greatest of all MCU films by far, Captain America: The Winter Soldier. That is exactly how a Cap film should be written / structured, and the added bonus of The Leader being the main villain--directly picking up where the The Incredible Hulk left off for the character makes this the MCU film I anticipate the most.
     
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    Never hurt Batman.
     
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    Touché ...:guffaw:
     
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    Which was kind of the entire point of Falcon and the Winter Soldier--guess that went over some people's heads?
     
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    The Super Soldier serum is probably why Kingpin is so physically powerful in Hawkeye which could imply a connection to the serum production operation in Europe. Perhaps Kingpin partially bankrolled the production of the serum.
     
  20. TREK_GOD_1

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    Well, that going over the heads of a certain faction of MCU fans is to be expected, when the only thing in their heads is the race of the man wearing the stars and stripes.
     
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