Guys . . . guys . . . could we maybe just not for once make an entire discussion about how the one clearly deliberately contrarian person is wrong and should be patiently indulged with logical arguments despite their continued intransigence? I mean just for the novelty factor. Give it a try! 

Yeah, it's definitely turning into one of "those" threads . . .There’s a sealion in here. It’s a type of troll. Don’t feed trolls, guys.