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[fireproof78]

Haha. I would agree but all we saw season one were bald headed big heads wearing fancy gold gilded armor with noses that looked nothing like previous klingons....

So?

It's called diversity. In an interstellar empire, with an appearance altering virus there is the possibility of many variations of Klingon phenotypes. The one size fits all approach ignores the history that is supposedly so important.

TNG's Klingon design was far more established than the original look, after three 26-eps-a-year series with a Klingon as a main character. Really any Klingon that looks dramatically different to Worf will not be accepted if there's an implication that Worf must look dramatically different as well.

Well, I'm not inclined to think Worf will be much different.

Discovery was a step in a more creative direction. That likely will be the last time for a while. Nostalgia means more.

Exactly. They need to put the purple/grey, bald giant head quad nostril in there. Guess which one is gonna stick out like a sore thumb???

The Wolfman one. Ugh.

The TMP was the worst change.

 

[TRON JA307020]

That's not a change in the design of Klingon makeup, that's different people looking different.

I mean 4 nostrils. Lol. That's quite a difference. Lol

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I mean 4 nostrils. Lol. That's quite a difference. Lol

Yeah, stick all the Discovery Klingons next to all the various TNG Klingons and they'll look like two groups.

 

[fireproof78]

This had gone too far! Now there are four of them!

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, stick all the Discovery Klingons next to all the various TNG Klingons and they'll look like two groups.

TOS doesn't fit either. Discovery looks like an alien race.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Have you ever been to an alien world?

Not a fan of evolution and adaptation?

You guys can be apologists all you want but I know the real reason for the change.

Same as in TMP>

1. Because they can
2. To make the Klingons more alien.

The changes from top to tng weren't thst extensive. I mean std had purple klingons lol. They also had double sets of nostrils. Where th heck did that come from? Lol.

From this

 

[Donald G]

How dare they change the Klingons... in 1979
(Best of Trek #somethingorother)

I think it's Best of Trek #3. (My copy has been long boxed away for years after several cross-country moves, so I can't easily check.)

Did you notice what word does not pop up in that essay, and very rarely in other fan commentary from that period?

It starts with a "c" and ends with an "n" and is pronounced like a certain piece of artillery, but spelled like a brand of camera.

 

[Harpsichord]

Discovery was a step in a more creative direction. That likely will be the last time for a while. Nostalgia means more.

C'mon, this is a little cynical. Just because they've backed off of the Klingon refresh doesn't mean they've stopped being creative with the alien designs. In Disco s4 Haz Mazaro and Oros looked quite alien and unique. Also note that Haz and Oros, in a big step up from the S1 prosthetic work, are perfectly capable of speaking and emoting while in all that rubber!

 

[Dar70]

Not a fan of evolution and adaptation?
Same as in TMP>

1. Because they can
2. To make the Klingons more alien.

From this

That dont look like a nose hole to me...no quads here...

 

[fireproof78]

C'mon, this is a little cynical. Just because they've backed off of the Klingon refresh doesn't mean they've stopped being creative with the alien designs. In Disco s4 Haz Mazaro and Oros looked quite alien and unique. Also note that Haz and Oros, in a big step up from the S1 prosthetic work, are perfectly capable of speaking and emoting while in all that rubber!

No, just limiting what they want to do. I don't expect too much new. Call it cynical, but that's where I'm at.

The Klingons were the best for me and I am disappointed beyond measure.

• Because they can

• To make the Klingons more alien.

In addition, they are expanding on the idea of "redundancy" of Klingon anatomy.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That dont look like a nose hole to me...no quads here...

Lack of imagination on your end.

I can see how make up people might get inspiration from that make up seam and extrapolate it into a nostril. Creative minds do that.

 

[Dar70]

Lack of imagination on your end.

I can see how make up people might get inspiration from that make up seam and extrapolate it into a nostril. Creative minds do that.

Creative minds with a large ego...

 

[Nerys Myk]

Creative minds with a large ego...

You keep using that word...

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I really think that old designs shouldn't be dismissed as 'nostalgic' and creative minds should have better things to do than mess with them. If a Star Trek series isn't challenging its designers to come up with brand new aliens then it really is wallowing in nostalgia.

 

[Dar70]

You keep using that word...

They wanted to make it their own. Bottom line. If they want to be creative and use that ego they should do it on new characrer and makeup....

 

[fireproof78]

You keep using that word...

Creative minds who want to be creative. It has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with expanding upon their craft.

I really think that old designs shouldn't be dismissed as 'nostalgic' and creative minds should have better things to do than mess with them. If a Star Trek series isn't challenging its designers to come up with brand new aliens then it really is wallowing in nostalgia.

Given the push for more nostalgia in Trek and the pushback on Discovery I would say that they are feeling "once bitten, twice shy."

Lack of imagination on your end.

I can see how make up people might get inspiration from that make up seam and extrapolate it into a nostril. Creative minds do that.

Oh, you mean they are being imaginative? Since when!?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I really think that old designs shouldn't be dismissed as 'nostalgic' and creative minds should have better things to do than mess with them. If a Star Trek series isn't challenging its designers to come up with brand new aliens then it really is wallowing in nostalgia.

The designers were given a job. They aren't creating the job. The Klingon design was given to them by the folks in charge. Same as TOS, TNG, and all the others.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They wanted to make it their own. Bottom line. If they want to be creative and use that ego they should do it on new characrer and makeup....

You've no clue what the process was. So maybe you shouldn't be tossing out accusations. May have nothing to do with "ego" and everything to do with performing the job they were tasked to do and then getting in that creative "zone". Maybe they went too far? Sure. But lets not call it egotism just because we don't like the results.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Given the push for more nostalgia in Trek and the pushback on Discovery I would say that they are feeling "once bitten, twice shy."

Discovery went from playing in the TOS sandbox to establishing a brand new setting, so it seems like they're going for less nostalgia these days.

The designers were given a job. They aren't creating the job. The Klingon design was given to them by the folks in charge. Same as TOS, TNG, and all the others.

I didn't intend to indicate otherwise.

 

[fireproof78]

Discovery went from playing in the TOS sandbox to establishing a brand new setting, so it seems like they're going for less nostalgia these days.

Discovery is doing it's own thing.

SNW is playing it safe.