Lt.Kyle

[The Wormhole]

In The Night of the Doctor, the 8th Doctor mentions several of his Big Finish audio companions. There is nothing compelling anyone to buy a single episode of those stories.

Night of the Doctor wasn't televised and therefore didn't have to adhere to the rules so strictly. But even putting that aside, all they did was mention names. Meaning for someone who is unfamiliar with the audios, they are just names, and they can still understand Night of the Doctor just fine.

For that matter, having Sarah Jane show up in 2006, an unequivocally canonical character, would be very hard to get the full picture of without buying expensive DVDs back then.

That doesn't matter, since her appearances still aired on BBC, she's still allowed to be used.

 

[ToddCam]

Night of the Doctor wasn't televised and therefore didn't have to adhere to the rules so strictly. But even putting that aside, all they did was mention names. Meaning for someone who is unfamiliar with the audios, they are just names, and they can still understand Night of the Doctor just fine.

That doesn't matter, since her appearances still aired on BBC, she's still allowed to be used.

While I won't claim to have thoroughly read them, I looked at the BBC charter and agreement and saw no mention of adherence to a canon or any other mention of congruity of storytelling at all. Can you point me to where any of this is actually stated? I am genuinely curious. You are implying here a set of rules that I could not find in those documents.

The point of 'what can be understood' is one of the most absurd concepts in ideas of canon that fans have come up with. Canon is what you are required* to adhere to, not an assumption of knowledge beforehand. Even if a Doctor Who episode directly continues a story from a novel or audio drama or whatever, other than people maybe feeling lost, there is no requirement. The fallout of such a choice may rile up people who don't want to spend money, and you can certainly claim that the work is slipshod due to relying on another story, but the obligation to consume another medium is nonexistent. A good story gives you what you need to know. A bad story leaves you unable to understand the story because information is withheld. The canonicity of something is immaterial to that.

*Required meaning to whatever extent the IP owners care to enforce.

 

[The Wormhole]

Can you point me to where any of this is actually stated?

The Writer's Tale by Russell T Davies.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Night of the Doctor wasn't televised and therefore didn't have to adhere to the rules so strictly. But even putting that aside, all they did was mention names. Meaning for someone who is unfamiliar with the audios, they are just names, and they can still understand Night of the Doctor just fine.

That doesn't matter, since her appearances still aired on BBC, she's still allowed to be used.

If Netflix and HBO is canon, which are websites, then so is youtube.

 

[cooleddie74]

YouTube had better be canon. That's where my fan films are.

 

[ToddCam]

The Writer's Tale by Russell T Davies.

Is it ironic that in order to see these "rules" I have to buy a book? At this point I am taking this as RTD's interpretation rather than actual rules. Noncanonical to the BBC's canon.

Edit: Sorry, The Wormhole. I forgot to say thank you. I appreciate your providing your source. I would actually be kind of interested in reading it, but can't spend the money right now.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Assuming SNW Kyle is in fact intended to be the same person as TOS Kyle, here's my headcanon. I've put it in spoilercode to appease the Fucking Lawyers(TM):

Spoiler

As of SNW, Kyle has just gotten married to a nice English girl. He gradually starts picking up her accent - until TOS' time, at which point he's as English as she is.

You're welcome.

 

[dupersuper]

Assuming SNW Kyle is in fact intended to be the same person as TOS Kyle, here's my headcanon. I've put it in spoilercode to appease the Fucking Lawyers(TM):

Spoiler

As of SNW, Kyle has just gotten married to a nice English girl. He gradually starts picking up her accent - until TOS' time, at which point he's as English as she is.

You're welcome.

Spoiler

Does she like guys with moustaches?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Sam Kirk's the one with the 'stache, not Kyle

 

[CorporalCaptain]

^ Sam Kirk's the one with the 'stache, not Kyle

Kyle has a mustache in TAS and a Van Dyke beard (mustache and goatee) in TWOK.

 

[Yistaan]

Kyle and April used Krall's life extension machines on some hapless caucasian victims between Strange New Worlds and TOS

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Kyle and April used Krall's life extension machines on some hapless caucasian victims between Strange New Worlds and TOS

I guess you think you're being clever? But that's in pretty poor taste, in my opinion.

 

[Phoenix219]

Kyle and April used Krall's life extension machines on some hapless caucasian victims between Strange New Worlds and TOS

Quite possible. There is an untold version of Beyond waiting to be told in the "prime universe" after all.

 

[Yistaan]

Quite possible. There is an untold version of Beyond waiting to be told in the "prime universe" after all.

I'd be down for it if they can bring back Idris Elba, Joe Taslim or Lydia Wilson (I assume the latter two are more likely for a tv budget but you never know). Obviously I was joking about the Kyle/April changing their races via Krall's tech, but hey we still have to show why Colt is now a spiky alien...

 

[fireproof78]

but hey we still have to show why Colt is now a spiky alien...

We don't know the Spiky alien's or the Yeomans name. No explanation required.

 

[cooleddie74]

Balthazar Edison disappeared in 2164 of the Prime Timeline so he could still be on Altimad in the Prime 2259.

 

[Yistaan]

Balthazar Edison disappeared in 2164 of the Prime Timeline so he could still be on Altimad in the Prime 2259.

Idris Elba: And...? How much money are we talking here Alex Kurtzman?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Assuming SNW Kyle is in fact intended to be the same person as TOS Kyle, here's my headcanon. I've put it in spoilercode to appease the Fucking Lawyers(TM):

Spoiler

As of SNW, Kyle has just gotten married to a nice English girl. He gradually starts picking up her accent - until TOS' time, at which point he's as English as she is.

You're welcome.

What if the Kyles were conceived during an Orgy?

Mother was carrying around, for lack of a better term, half a pound of "sperm soup" inside her, and given whichever timeline we are dealing with, tiny variations of weather and the train time tables, so Kyle could have had any one of 12 different dads, who might have had a range of ethnicity.

 

[Phoenix219]

What if the Kyles were conceived during an Orgy?

Mother was carrying around, for lack of a better term, half a pound of "sperm soup" inside her, and given whichever timeline we are dealing with, tiny variations of weather and the train time tables, so Kyle could have had any one of 12 different dads, who might have had a range of ethnicity.

But that still assumes we are dealing with "different timelines" which, according to TPTB, is not the case, and that we are in "Prime."

I've long suspected the timeline was rewritten after the events of First Contact or ENT, so that would be possible in my interpretation.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But that still assumes we are dealing with "different timelines" which, according to TPTB, is not the case, and that we are in "Prime."

I've long suspected the timeline was rewritten after the events of First Contact or ENT, so that would be possible in my interpretation.

Earth was assimilated in the past, whatever band aid they put on the timeline in 2063 was hardly comprehensive.

Enterprise was supposed to blow up in mid season one, and the Suliban stopped that.