Lt.Kyle

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Attentiveluke, Apr 2, 2022.

  1. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    How is that "the same guys as the Kelvin Movies" though?. Yeah I did miss the last part, but the point stands.
    Sequel, prequel, sidequel, reboots. It's all the same really. Post Voyager trek is gonna sound a lot like TOS and TNG.
     
  2. cooleddie74

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    Rick Berman also worked on Season 1 of TNG in addition to NEM 15 years later. How does that make that movie a, let's say, "Roddenberry mess"? Yeah, one of the same people is involved with both the new shows and the 2009 movie. That doesn't make them the same.
     
  3. Dar70

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    Well if you read my post I ended it by saying "one" with an LOL...:D

    Roddenberry was not all that involved with TNG after the initial setup...was he??
    Kurtzman has had credits of prodcuer, executive producer, creative etc. Since 2009.
     
  4. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    For all the talk about Asian representation I don't recall any comments on La'an who is played by Anglo-Chinese actress Christina Chong or that Number One's name is Chin-Riley.
     
  5. Starflight

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    Hi, I've not posted here in years - loving SNW so far, by the way - but I can't miss the chance to get in on this Bond chat:
    They're integral to the character because he's a violent misogynist who's also a believer in some form of British nationalism and acts as an instrument of lethal violence for his paymasters in the British government. I'm not even trying to be funny or subversive or anything, I honestly think his whiteness, maleness and heterosexuality are absolutely core to the character. Even in later films, when attempts are made to make him less detestable to contemporary audiences of each decade (by fine-tuning it to the level of acceptable sexism and state violence for each era, which is usually still very high), the same themes remain.

    They're not even just quirks of the time the stories were written, or detestable but largely plot-irrelevant traits, like Kirk's sexism arguably is in TOS. They're the basis of the story and character. We can expect Kirk to not be a bigot when he appears in SNW, because his bigotry in TOS isn't central to the show's universe or his role within it, and instead actively detracts from the show's stated intentions. The same can't be said of Bond, whose small-minded nastiness is the fuel on which each miserable adventure runs.

    My perspective as someone who despises James Bond is that they categorically should not change his race, sex or sexuality, but - if they want to advance a different agenda to Fleming's - write a story that acknowledges these traits and shows the immense toxicity and damage of his nationalism, his misogyny, and his predilection towards casual violence. Making him suddenly gay or undergoing a race-swap is a trivial and tokenistic change if the thematic content of each story largely remains the same. Making him female would perhaps offer a significant change, in that it would potentially undercut the misogyny so core to the stories, but at that point, you aren't really writing James Bond anymore. You're writing something likely to be a lot better than James Bond, but it may as well be a new franchise or a new character altogether. You could also write James Bond to be an elderly Polish grandmother with a cybernetic arm and a sarcastic talking cat for a sidekick, and you'd have not only something much better than Bond, but probably one of the coolest pieces of fiction ever created - but you'd also have strayed so far from anything to do with James Bond that it'd just be confusing that you're still using the franchise's name.

    This has no relevance to Kyle, who I have no opinion on whatsoever, other than to mention that John Winston, the original Kyle, grew up in the same city as me. This leaves me utterly devastated at the change, unless new Kyle is also from Leeds, which I doubt given his American accent. Then again, Winston didn't have the regional accent either, so all's fair.

    Also, sorry, I have no idea why I'm picking on your post, but:
    I'm gay and I'd prefer "homosexual" to all those. Totally subjective obviously, but just coming in to vaguely defend ichab, who I'm sure had no ill intent in choice of phrase.
     
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  6. Guy Gardener

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    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    90 million sperms jockeying for position.

    Every baby conceived after Nero took on the Kelvin only has a 1 in 90 million chance of being the same baby, if the sex took place on the same hour.

    Kelvin Sulu is 4 years older than TOS Sulu, so it's not only not the same Sperm, it's not the same egg, or even possibly not the same mother.
     
  7. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    That's nice. Has nothing to do with what a Trek show set after Voyager is gonna look like, though
     
  8. cooleddie74

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    Ironically, 90 million sperms engaged in battle was Rick Berman's next series idea.
     
  9. Noname Given

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    Star Trek has never gotten much of a rest. If you look at everything produced since 1969 oh, there is never been more than a four-year Gap between any Star Trek project that ultimately makes it to the screen be that a movie or a TV series.
     
  10. fireproof78

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    Doesn't suit the continuity complaints.
     
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  11. NewHeavensNewEarth

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    Have we forgotten "Elogium" in VOY? Trek's been there, done that. :lol:
     
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  12. Dar70

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    Well not looking at animation and just live action. It had a 10 year rest and than with TMP went with just gaps between movies for 8 years and than 18 years straight of tv shows AND movies. 2005 to 2009 was the only significant rest since 1969-1979..

    I know many think the current tv shows are somehow a resurgence of Trek but it really never was down. Four years is not really that long a rest.

    I dont know maybe because I'm older now and our perception of time changes the older we get. So 4 years does not feel like a long time as it may have felt when I was 18 to 22 for example...lol...
     
  13. Guy Gardener

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    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    My wife was talking about the iceage between Jedi and Phantom menace yesterday.

    She thinks it was just 16 years.

    I'm sure it was nearer to 3 and a half thousand years.
     
  14. Ray Hardgrit

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    There is nothing about La'an to complain about!
     
  15. fireproof78

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    Sure there is.

    Just doesn't suit the current complaints about continuity.
     
  16. Yistaan

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    I'm wondering if La'an is actually playing an east Asian character but then I realized she may well be as there's several generations removed from Khan who was supposed to be Indian Sikh (even though neither actor who played him was of Indian ethnicity)
     
  17. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    Khan's band in "Space Seed" were multiethnic, including one named "Ling". Easy to image him having an child with a woman of East Asian descent.
     
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  18. cooleddie74

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    Scotty even describes the survivors on the Botany Bay as being from all types of major ethnic groups. Latin. Asian. European. Others. The Augments were designed to spread across the world and seize control in different nations and regions.
     
  19. Yistaan

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    Nick Meyer: I'm sorry, what scene are you talking about?
     
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  20. fireproof78

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    He was the prince over East Asia. That doesn't seem hard to do.