Lorca: Fans Will Have To Adjust
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You know I was thinking about something. What if the actor said things that he knew might piss people off, because he wants people to kind of have hate for his character. From what I understand the Captain Lorca character might not be such a nice guy. If people are mad at the actor that might make it more fun to root against the character, who I think might even become a villian. Remember how we talked about a potential Donald Trump style of character on the show, even before we knew the cast and characters? What if he is going to be that character?
Even if that wasn't his intent it still could help the character much in the way Shatner's over the top personality helps sell the Kirk character or how Downey Jr's history helps influence how we think about his version of Tony Stark. Even the actor is a jerk in real life that might not be a bad thing. In fact I am big believer in the idea that flawed people tend to be more creative on a whole than happy people. Just look at half of the best comedians you can think about. Most of them seem to really be screwed up in real life or have some huge trama in their lives. It's kind of rare when you see people who look like great people who are also really great talents as well such as a Tom Hanks or Will Ferrell.
Jason
Even if that wasn't his intent it still could help the character much in the way Shatner's over the top personality helps sell the Kirk character or how Downey Jr's history helps influence how we think about his version of Tony Stark. Even the actor is a jerk in real life that might not be a bad thing. In fact I am big believer in the idea that flawed people tend to be more creative on a whole than happy people. Just look at half of the best comedians you can think about. Most of them seem to really be screwed up in real life or have some huge trama in their lives. It's kind of rare when you see people who look like great people who are also really great talents as well such as a Tom Hanks or Will Ferrell.
Jason
I think you're probably right about Lorca not necessarily being a nice guy - I'm getting the impression he's being set up as an antagonist, at least in part. Which makes sense, if your lead is a first officer, the only way to make that different is to have her disagree with the Captain or have a different viewpoint - otherwise what's actually different from following the Captain? My guess is that she'll look up to and largely agree with Captain Georgiou and not get on so well with Lorca.
Sidebar: 'Fans Adjusting' could be a good slang phrase for generalized Trek fan outrage... 
The power of the Lorca!
The power of the Lorca!
He's been described as "troubled." While he certainly could be someone who Burnham doesn't initially agree with, I see a lot of speculation out there that he's a member of Section 31 or is actually Captain Garth. I have a hard time with the first part and the second one is pretty ridiculous. I mean, just because someone is troubled doesn't mean they're deranged.
Damn, I though I was the first one to come up with the Garth of Izar angle! But, this could be who Garth was prior to the accident that sent him to Elba II.
Yeah, I find both those theories pretty unlikely. The section 31 angle just won't die, even though there's been nothing to suggest it's a plotline in this show.
If Lorca's first name actually was Garth, I'd buy it...don't see why he'd just happen to change his name after going space-crazy, though.
Besides, "Gabriel of Izar" sounds just as dramatic, doesn't it?
Making Lorca Garth is far more complicated than it needs to be. Barring any potential royalty issues with the character, it also brings up the whole John Harrison/Khan thing from just a few years ago. Also, why? Garth isn't that amazing of a character to begin with and "Whom Gods Destroy" is a mediocre episode. Not to mention all of the Axanar bullshit which would give not only us a headache, but CBS too.
Modern TV is more complicated than it needs to be in general. So Lorca being Garth is the out-of-left-field WTF? moment Discovery needs to fit in!
I wouldn't half mind Garth turning up on the show at some point, though. Doesn't his downfall have something to do with the Klingons? And...dare I say it...AXANAR. 
Oh, and if they do this: Nathan Fillion as Garth. I totally called it.
Oh, and if they do this: Nathan Fillion as Garth. I totally called it.
LOL... God, I hope not. I'm excited by Discovery, but it already seems to be showing some complex storytelling.
Those who don't know who Garth is, won't care that they've never seen him before. If it's a good episode, they'll still like it.
I wouldn't half mind Garth turning up on the show at some point, though. Doesn't his downfall have something to do with the Klingons? And...dare I say it...AXANAR.
Oh, and if they do this: Nathan Fillion as Garth. I totally called it.
I have no problem with seeing Garth on the show in general. Just not as Lorca. Its complicated and adds the whole small universe syndrome that enough people are complaining about already. And yeah, Fillion would be AMAZING as Garth.
As for Axanar, who knows if the Klingons are involved? FASA suggests they are. Alec Peters suggests they are. Does the continuity as it stands? Hell to the no. Its pretty vague.
It'd be worth it, just to watch how Browncoats would react to him turning up on Trek. Get the popcorn!
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FYI - Alec Peters suggests they are BECAUSE he took said idea from said Star Trek RPG sourcebook.
As to having 'Captain Garth of Izar' appear or be mentioned on ST: D - if they do, fine - as from all indications the story will involve a Federation/Klingon war; and if they want to say the Battle of Axanar either took place during it; or mention it as something that may affect a story element they're portraying on ST: D that may be related to it.
What I hope they don't do - is just mention it to 'name drop' Captain Garth, and ST: D already is bringing in a lot of 'small-world' syndrome (Harry Mudd and Sarek related to the Main character in some way) in what is supposed to be a large universe.
But again, if they do something with the 'Garth; character/history that really adds something to their actual story, I'm all for it.
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