And then they could have stolen one of the Temppads from the agents.
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The sphere builders could be an analogy. They manipulated the past to protect their present. The Time Keepers could be doing something similar. The big difference is that the Sphere Builders just manipulated the Xindi. The Time Keepers are manipulating the entire timeline. So the Time Keepers are doing it on a much bigger scale than the Sphere Builders.
Yeah, that was sort of an okay episode. So, it turned out to be Enchantress (or a sorta-Enchantress) after all.
I liked the interaction between the "Lokis" but the relationship between Loki and Mobius is what really hooked me in the first episode.
I liked the interaction between the "Lokis" but the relationship between Loki and Mobius is what really hooked me in the first episode.
This is one of those episodes where the talk and visuals were enough to "enchant" me and ignore nitpicking too much at least on first viewing. I wonder if Loki has acquired another tempad and this was just him playing along for intel and mischief. I'm willing to give next week a chance to put this one in context more.
Yup, I've believed your theory since you first posted it after the first episode. It makes the most sense and each episode has been a step in that immediate direction.
Hard disagree. This episode wasn't about that revelation. Yeah, that was the turning point at the end, but the point was the building of the relationship between Loki and Sylvie which I expect will be crucial for the remainder of the season and possibly beyond. I definitely don't see this as a wasteful or filler episode.
I didn't realize how much that music applied to the scene.
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I'm sure that a lot of people who don't understand meaning of the word will describe this episode as being filler, but it was a fun ride with good character work and dialogue and a nifty cliffhanger. Missed the banter between Hiddleston and Owen Wilson.
Point of no return for reset is how it was initially presented in France. I think the "Red Line=end of everything" is just shorthand for "creating other permanent timelines will inevitability lead to a time war which will lead to the end of everything."
Are we sure his costume changes aren't illusions? His TVA clothes are real. Also I'm not convinced that the broken pad wasn't a fake out, and he still has the unbroken one.
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Character development episodes generally are considered filler, but I'd guess this one was pretty much necessary to the storyline.
It tends to be the ratio of one episode out of six that bothers people. It was different with 26, 24, 20, hell, even 10 episodes, to commit one whole episode to a tangent.
I liked it. I am watching because I really like the Loki character and loved the interaction with Sylvie. Epic visuals and wonderful set designs.
My guess is that Loki used illusion to show the Tempad to mess with her determination to get it back and try to get her off her game.
His powers do seem to used circumstantially but I think that falls to his character - Loki does what he wants to do, not what he can do and sometimes his choices are not the most efficient or logical...
My guess is that Loki used illusion to show the Tempad to mess with her determination to get it back and try to get her off her game.
His powers do seem to used circumstantially but I think that falls to his character - Loki does what he wants to do, not what he can do and sometimes his choices are not the most efficient or logical...
Not a lot to say about this one. It was great work all round, but all through the episode I couldn't help but be preoccupied trying do figure out what the point of divergence was for Sylvie. Clearly she wasn't raised on Asgard and has been on the run from the TVA most of her life; so was she in a branch where Odin didn't find that little squalling frost giant runt left of to die? Have a hard time picturing a baby evading TVA agents, so maybe someone else found her and somehow kept them both away? The problem I keep running into is that any scenario I can think of has her running into the red line *very* early in her life. She says she has fleeting memories of her mother, but is that Frigga or her Jotun mother? Either way, she must have been VERY young when whatever happened, happened.
I suppose it's possible Frigga could have somehow hidden her when the TVA showed up to reset the nexus? She did see with more than eyes after all...
I suppose it's possible Frigga could have somehow hidden her when the TVA showed up to reset the nexus? She did see with more than eyes after all...
...by people that don't understand pacing, narrative structure and/or have the attention span of concussed goldfish.
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Damn, this was a great episode! The interplay between Loki and Sylvie was excellent, we had some fun moments with Loki getting drunk on the train. But then the ending, with Loki and Sylvie fighting their way through the riots at the Ark's launch site I was completely engrossed and wit that ending, wow. I have literally no idea how they're getting out of this one, but I look forward to seeing.
I also want to make a shout out to the songs they are using in this show, particularly this episode's. While the songs themselves weren't anything too spectacular, the way they're used in the episodes really flows along perfectly.
I also want to make a shout out to the songs they are using in this show, particularly this episode's. While the songs themselves weren't anything too spectacular, the way they're used in the episodes really flows along perfectly.
Absolutely loved this episode, the relationship they built up between Loki and Sylvie is a lot of fun, and the visuals of the planet crashing into Lamentis were gorgeous.
The big reveal the that the people at the TVA are variants definitely makes it sound like there's more going on with the Timekeepers than we've seen up to this point.
The big reveal the that the people at the TVA are variants definitely makes it sound like there's more going on with the Timekeepers than we've seen up to this point.
Wow, what a fantastically entertaining episode!
Loved all of it, the setting, the fun, the bickering, but let me just give another shoutout to the music! The themes are glorious! Is this the best music the MCU has ever had? Love that deep synth sound we're getting.
Seriously, is this the best score in the history of the MCU?
Loved all of it, the setting, the fun, the bickering, but let me just give another shoutout to the music! The themes are glorious! Is this the best music the MCU has ever had? Love that deep synth sound we're getting.
Seriously, is this the best score in the history of the MCU?
Personally I think she is just a much older version of 'our' Loki. When she spoke about trying to get the information out of the TVA agent, she said she had to call up a memory from hundreds of years ago... Yet they were clearly sitting in a 20th century Earth bar in said memory. So she's probably 400 to 500 years older, and obviously has been through a lot in that time. What she's been through has caused her to decide to change sex in an attempt to not be Loki anymore. So yeah she may not have the same memories of Frigga that 'our' Loki has, and may remember things differently after whatever she's been through in those centuries.
I agree with others though that they're probably trying to turn her into more a character like the Enchantress, who was often a cohort of Loki's. I think they had a version of the Enchantress character in an episode of Agents Of Shield, and I don't remember exactly what happened but she either died or disappeared to the point that she wasn't around any longer, and it seemed to be permanent. I remember when I saw that episode of Agents Of Shield, I thought it was a great waste of a wonderful comics character and didn't understand why they decided to treat her that way.
So yeah if they make Sylvie into an Enchantress like character, who occasionally works with / foils Loki from time to time, I wouldn't be disappointed.
I interpreted that to mean that the TVA Agent had been working for the TVA for several hundred years, even if her home time period was very recent (from our perspective). Time works differently there.
Yes, THIS. Exactly how I felt while watching. God of Mischief after all. What's that word they use? Oh, yes. "Spontaneous."
Well, I see these things as 4-5 hour movies released in parts. The same way I watched Snyder's JL movie over the course of a week. Having some character development and relationship development in a movie isn't just tolerated, it's expected. Same with a series like this. What I'll remember about this series months or years from now isn't some action scene or plot twist, it's the chemistry between Hiddleston and Wilson and Di Martino and how their relationships and interactions really made the story for me.
As far as Sylvie goes, for me, she is The Enchantress. Jeese Louise, the nature of her powers, the number of times she says "enchanting", the blonde hair and green outfits? At any rate, I think it's important to note that WE ONLY HAVE THE TVA'S WORD that she's a "Loki Variant." Hands up all those who believe everything the TVA says. Motive? What better way to hook Loki into helping?
Overall, I loved the episode, especially Loki getting "full" and leading a train car full of aliens in an Asgardian singalong. For all their differences, this IS Thor's effin' brother! The development of Sylvie where I went from active dislike to curious to finding her cute and endearing (the same way Loki did) was a treat. I'll raise a pint of ale to the idea that they don't share much, if any, DNA and that this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Then I'll smash the glass and call for another.
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The problem with the big revelation about the TVA is that anyone who's a Marvel comics fan, or for that matter anyone who decided to Google character names already knows what, or rather who, we're headed towards.
I hope they've something more up their sleeves than just setting up the next MCU Big Bad, because if that's all the series is for it's a bit of a waste of everyone's talents.
I hope they've something more up their sleeves than just setting up the next MCU Big Bad, because if that's all the series is for it's a bit of a waste of everyone's talents.
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