Have you not seen the clip showing her being brought into the TVA as a young girl?
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Given that Loki was able to change his skin color from blue to white when Odin found him as a baby, I've assumed that his shapeshifting is a present power and may be closer to a reflex than a skill he developed or was taught.
I like the detail that she has naturally dark hair like Loki, I'm guessing she's around 10 or so.Have you not seen the clip showing her being brought into the TVA as a young girl?
It's a bit fucked that the TVA would take in a child though. It makes you wonder just how many people get taken in as a Variant or how many different versions of anyone ends up getting taken in by the TVA. There could be countless variations of every being who ever existed being pruned or reset throughout all of history.
A good episode of a TV show? An entertaining story not spoiled just because future writers didn't build on it to your liking?
Oh sure, no question. The show was very deliberate in making sure the audience was aware that "our" Loki was gender fluid. I'm just wondering if her presenting as female was specifically the point of divergence and the reason she was labelled "variant", or whether that happened after the fact and the initial point of divergence was some other yet to be revealed event.
She seems to have been at this for subjective centuries, so plenty of time for all sorts choices and changes from the "sacred" version of Loki. The more I think about it though the more the former makes more sense, but there could still be some twist coming. Like say for example the branch she was removed from wasn't even about her, it was about Thor making some divergent choice, further continuing the theme of a Loki being just a supporting character in their own story, AND a forgotten castoff.
It’s one thing if they never build on it. It’s another if they ‘Learn a lesson’ that is completely forgotten within a week. Like if they come to an understanding with a character they have natural conflict with then a few episodes later have to exact same conflict. That sitcom crap belongs in Full House.
Maybe Loki presented as male because he was in competition with Thor.
Hey, that's Judith from The Walking Dead! Also child Rey from The Force Awakens.Have you not seen the clip showing her being brought into the TVA as a young girl?
How a season of "sub-modern" Star Trek was made.
The Executive producer would assign the maybe 26 episodes to each character or an ensemble of characters. Then the Executive producer would farm each of those episodes assigned to a character out to writers in the wilderness who had no idea what was happening the week before or the week after. The writers room and the Producers would then rewrite the farmed script so that it makes sense and fits in with the continuity of the season.
You can't write a season like this if you're writing story arcs.
Unless you heavily rewrite every script, and by that point why bother using outside writers?
Something as small as Loki could have been written by one person, or a room of people who could throw things at each other, or were on Zoom constantly, because there's a pandemic?
Now I can't stop thinking about The Goldbergs...
I got the impression that Sylvie became a variant at a much earlier point in life. She doesn't remember Frigga; she doesn't seem to remember much of Asgard. I had thought that she was the child from the first episode.
Well, all sitcom families and characters.
Are you suggesting it's impossible to write episodic television without lazy one dimensional quirk driven lesson learning?
If you're not going to have continuity, that's fine, but then don't have the character develop in that episode in ways that should make a difference in other episodes. Worked for Seinfeld.
Enterprise season 3.
All that Sphere Building crap.
Note how midway through that, they still found a planet of cowboys who had been abducted by UFOs in the 19th century.
The cartoon clock played by Tara Strong explained that the TVA was stopping multiversal war by "limiting" the number of universes, but she was probably lying, even though it makes sense.
One universe is short on resources, so it strip mines a neighbour, who rallies, chases them back to their home universe, and lights it on fire.
Remember the Cromags from Sliders?
There's a difference between stating what's possible, and simply pointing out a clear pattern of behaviour.
The point being that equating character focused episodes from 20+year old shows that were specifically designed to have as little internal continuity as they can get away with, to character focused episode from modern, heavily serialized/arc based shows is very much a case of *checks notes* apples and oranges.
Personally I prefer the old style episodic shows over these modrrn massive story arcs. I think the X-Files was one of the first to do that, one reason I stopped watching it. I miseed a couple of shows and got list quickly- someone would toss in a reference about some guy who smokes and this would be "oooooooo", I had no idea what was going on.There's a difference between stating what's possible, and simply pointing out a clear pattern of behaviour.
The point being that equating character focused episodes from 20+year old shows that were specifically designed to have as little internal continuity as they can get away with, to character focused episode from modern, heavily serialized/arc based shows is very much a case of *checks notes* apples and oranges.
Character development can be done in any format without 'wasting' time if done properly. One thing I like about Loki is that even background characters are interesting, even the "what's a fish" guy is fun to watch.
If you think the X-Files was the first TV show ever to use arc based storytelling then you're very much mistaken.
Old American TV shows may have preferred spoon-feeding the audience in tiny little mouthfuls so they won't be confused and miss all the commercials that get edited in every 5 mins, but the rest of the world has been coping with the burden of paying attention to their modern media narratives for more than two episodes a stretch since the day of wireless serials.
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Soaps like The Edge of Night, As the World Turns, and Coronation Street have been going on literally for generations.
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