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News Kurtzman: Spock And Filling In Canon

I actually didn't think DSC was intended as a prequel to TOS as stated above, so that we will stop complaining of its lack of independence.

Is that really the case? I thought it was going to be its own thing, but just set i n the before times; and was now skewing prequel.

W ere it intended as prequel, I guess I would stand corrected.

How could it not be a prequel? It's set before TOS. Even if it never mentioned a single TOS character or event, it would still be a prequel.
It would be a prequel in the way Batman Begins or Gotham are a prequel to the Tim Burton Batman movies. I.E. not at all.

And with completely reimagined Klingons and Klingon ships (season 2 course correction aside), massive retcons to Federation technology and pre-TOS history and big thematic differences, it is not hard at all to see Discovery in the same light. I believe it would have made for a far better show than the weird nonsensical mix of reboot, retcon and prequel we got.
 
How canb they use the original actor for Spock or Sarek since both have passed away? Casting new actors in lead roles for long running IPs is nothing new.

Look at the Superman IP:
https://www.quora.com/Who-are-all-the-actors-that-played-Superman-in-order

^^^
So, yeah, sorry given just how many popular IPs of science fiction, fantasy, etc. maintain their popularity over many decades; to say - "OK, the original actors are retired/passed so using that IP is off the table because..." is a bit ridiculous.

I don't mind them using new actors. Just that the experience is going to be different with them even if you claim they are still the same person. It doesn't mean the new version is going to suck or anything. I think the original question was more about marketing and that bringing in old TOS characters was no different than bringing Picard back for his own show. I do think their is a difference because you not just getting the same character but the same performer.

We watched this version of Picard since the 80's were as this new version of Spock and Sarek is simple over two years. Thus most of appeal for them right now is still on name recognition. It will always be that way to unless they make a impact in such a way were people like them for who they are and not just because they have the same name of characters that Nimoy and Leonard, had.

I am a big fan of Kelvin Universe movies in part because those actors did bring something new to Trek though like most people when I went into the first movie it was built just off my love for "TOS." Now I enjoy the movies in part still because of my love for "TOS" but also for what they also added and made their own.


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It would be a prequel in the way Batman Begins or Gotham are a prequel to the Tim Burton Batman movies. I.E. not at all.

And with completely reimagined Klingons and Klingon ships (season 2 course correction aside), massive retcons to Federation technology and pre-TOS history and big thematic differences, it is not hard at all to see Discovery in the same light. I believe it would have made for a far better show than the weird nonsensical mix of reboot, retcon and prequel we got.
At what point did anyone associated with Gotham say it was a prequel to Burton's films (or any other)?
They've added to the "history" and "technology " but haven't retconned or replaced any.
Why should the show have to share a themathic similarity with TOS?
 
Section 31 is a puerile idea. It sucks.
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Section 31 is about the ONLY way you could explain how the Federation and Starfleet survived into the 24th Century with Captins like Picard who never bothers to even return fire until the ship is damaged ad they have casualties:

See:
TNG - "The Battle"
TNG - "Q Who" (Hell, Picard call a Conference and adjourns to the briefing lounge in the MIDDLE of a combat.)
TNG - "Best of Both Worlds"
etc. ;)
 
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Section 31 is about the ONLY way you could explain how the Federation and Starfleet survived into the 24th Century with Captins like Picard who never bothers to even return fire until the ship is damaged ad they have casualties:

See:
TNG - "The Battle"
TNG - "Q Who" (Hell, Picard call a Conference and adjourns to the briefing lounge in the MIDDLE of a combat.)
TNG - "Best of Both Worlds"
etc. ;)
I'm surprised that somehow Section 31 managed to neglect having an agent on the strongest Federation ship, the Enterprise NCC-1701-D. I'm particularly thinking of "I, Borg". There's no way Section 31 would have let Hugh off the Enterprise without him carrying that invasive virus Picard had originally planned on infecting Hugh with.

Section 31 would never have let Picard back out on the original plan and would have gone to extreme measures to enact it. How did this one get by them?? :O
 
Here is a prediction for season 2: Spock, Sarek, and Pike will not die. No matter what kind of danger they may face they will survive.

However, Pike will get sick of being surronded by death yet again and mention a possible offer of promotion.
 
However, Pike will get sick of being surronded by death yet again and mention a possible offer of promotion.
Michelle Yeoh confirmed that her Section 31 character is working behind the scenes while also interacting with Pike: https://trekmovie.com/2018/10/08/ny...s-whats-new-for-their-characters-in-season-2/ .

Could it be that the moral Pike does something that angers Section 31? And Section 31 vows future revenge on Pike? To make him suffer a fate worse than death? That would put that delta radiation incident in the Menagerie in a whole new light wouldn't it?
 
No.

The ship he was on was old and full of cadets. Section 31 can fuck right off out of canon, the worst thing DS9 ever brought into Star Trek, and that's saying something.
What other bad things did DS9 bring to canon? Just curious, I was wondering as a huge DS9 fan what others might not have liked.
 
The Kelvinverse films were well-liked, well-designed

We really don't want to adjudicate that again, do we? No? Then please don't push that as if it's fact when you know as well as I do that it's highly debatable.

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What Discovery represents is an attempt to present Prime in Kelvin drag in an attempt to appease both factions, and not succeeding (so far).
 
There really isn't.
To you perhaps there isn't, to me there is a huge difference. I am exited about the Picard show exactly because it is Sir Patrick returning to the role. Sometimes recasting works but sometimes it is just lazy leeching on previous actor's work.
 
What other bad things did DS9 bring to canon? Just curious, I was wondering as a huge DS9 fan what others might not have liked.
It's a long list. DS9 is basically a show by people who don't like TNG to people who don't like TNG.
 
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