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Klingon change for season 2?

And soon we are back to same old same old.....and boredom kicks in...but the "fans" are happy again....:barf:
Nah, we can expect small bits of "same old" here and there, but the "same old, same old" that got the Berman-era Trek off the air is gone from Trek for good, and has found itself a new home at Fox. For the time being.
 
Responding to fan feedback is a good thing, as long as they don’t take it too far.

Some people have this weird idea that show creators ought to completely and totally ignore both fan praise and criticism. Never mind that reaction to fans is fundamental to Trek. Spock wouldn't have been elevated as a character, for example, if Roddenberry & Co hadn't realized what a breakout character he was and modulated TOS Season 2 as a result.
 
It is a new prequel.....updates keeps it fun....that is the same with usual stories we have through out the times, they get dressed up in new stuff to match the current times....... I am not allways that enamoured with the old Trek stuff, I do like it all in all....but some of it was so cheesy and ...well....

I liked how the Klingons looked this time around...also liked that the way they where talking...they felt alien and different!
Hardcore Trek fans is a soup of acid at best!
 
Some people think revisiting the designs of the past will result in stagnation, but of course they are making the logical fallacy of thinking creativity and tradition are mutually exclusive, that you can't be creative if constrained by too much context, when in actuality all creativity happens in context, the universe is a giant piece of context itself in which all art must happen.
 
Show creators ought to completely and totally ignore both fan praise and criticism.

But as I said, that has never, ever been the case for Trek. It has always responded to fan praise/criticism. Without fan modulation we wouldn't have gotten Spock elevated on TOS, TWOK would never have been made, Picard would have stayed this sedentary middle-aged dude who never left the Enterprise, with Riker being the locus of all adventure, etc.
 
Well Fan's input has made some decisions that show producers have made, do a u turn. Yes its the show runners.. well show.. but if the fan's aren't happy, they aren't going to watch.. then you have no show! So there is a bit of throw spagetti at the wall and see what sticks, but to ignore fans reactions will get the show canceled.
Examples: Doctor who, they introduced those new multicolred daleks.. they went over like a lead balloon, and were barely seen afterwards.
So all the fan backlash at somethings will have an impact. Just keep it civil :)
 
It doesn't take fan backlash to know the look of the Klingons was handled badly. That and honestly, how do you act inside of all that rubber? How do you talk? And talk they did. At least overdub..

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First seasons usually have some rough spots. Discovery was very good. It had no Black Planet, it had no SHALE! it had no .. everything Voyager had in season 1.. but it did have its Klingon problem, and I think that one is easy to rest with Fuller. Now it can get fixed.
 
The thing about comments like this (sorry for using a throwaway comment as an example, I don't mean anything by it), is it assumes there is no action that would satisfy all fans.

But in fact, usually there is, for any given topic, and that's why people are continually surprised by how out of touch Star Trek show-runners can be at negotiating the nuances of their franchise. Take Marvel as a good example, where 95% of their decisions satisfy everyone, fans and new viewers alike, with a few exceptions, i.e. Malekith the Accursed being wasted as a villain, despite being one of Thor's most famous and charismatic arch enemies. I'm no Marvel expert, but the impression I get, is that he was probably meant to be something more like a despotic and militant version of David Bowie in Labyrinth.

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In the case of Klingons, giving them some hair and maybe showing some variations in makeup (maybe even a couple of TOS Klingons in the back of a crowd somewhere), would satisfy literally everyone. People liked the Into Darkness designs, despite them being fairly radical. New fans would never notice, or would actually learn a bit of lore by Googling ("who are those ridgeless Klingons in the background crowd"), and old fans would have a way of linking every Klingon, according to their tastes.

Star Trek fandom is not prone to blind criticism and does not deserve to be portrayed as incapable of being satisfied, the fans are not some unreasonable horde that hate without reason (well, some individuals might be in any given group), most critics of DSC or the Kelvin films or ENT would have been largely satisfied by a few key demonstrations of understanding the material.

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Just out of interest, let's look at what Doug Drexler, who let's not forget won an Oscar, before taking a pay cut to work on TV for his favourite franchise, thought about the design of the NX-01:

As an Original Series fan, Drexler became concerned with the chosen visual direction the producers had decided upon for the new prequel series, but as former co-worker Mandel stated, "Having been around then, I also know that Doug Drexler and John Eaves did exactly what the producers asked them to," despite the fact that Drexler, while proud of "(…) the NX-01, even though it was a frustrating experience," considered himself "(…) a "canon" kind of guy. I would have liked to have seen the Daedalus style ship. You know…the sphere instead of saucer. The producers wanted it to be a saucer because they wanted it "recognizable"." It hinted at elevated tension levels between producers and creative staffers on what a "proper" prequel visual style or starship design lineage should look like.

Also, on the first two Kelvin Timeline films:

"Technically they are beautiful… the work is stunning… however… and I hope no one will hold this against me… I did not enjoy the last two films, and honest…I really wanted to… but for me, Star Trek has to have a philosophical, humanist bend to it… always making a point, or asking a question. It should be introspective, and self examining. That's the Roddenberry factor. The new films are devoid of Gene Roddenberry, and at the end of the day, I'm not ok with that."​

He is a diplomatic and good natured guy as far as I can tell from his Memory Alpha article, and these comments were uncharacteristic, so hope he does not mind his words being used as an example, but this is a person who understands the pretty obvious nuances surrounding Star Trek; that it has a fictional history, that it has a heart. None of what he said about the NX-01 would get in the way of telling a good story. And as for Star Trek's humanist bend, it's as important to the material as spirituality is to Star Wars, neither franchise would be what it is without it, so if that is a shackle on producers, who would rather create a work with a different soul, maybe they should rethink why they want to work on Star Trek specifically.

I'm sorry, but this is one of the most foundational and fundamental "truths" I've learned about he fandom, so I absolutely 100% disagree with you passionately.

There is no way ANYTHING would satisfy all the fans. I've been in the game for 40 years. There's literally nothing that would make everyone happy, because the fandom is so diverse (like the franchise itself) that everyone is onboard for different, equally valid reasons.

And, frankly, the Production Leads trying to please everyone is a self-defeating policy, because it can't be done. Just make a good movie/show that has the goal to entertain. To hell with "pleasing the fans"
 
Star Wars hasn't changed the look of their aliens so I don't see why Star Trek has to. An update yes, but not an entirely different appearance. It's the Star Trek brand they're selling so it should look like it.

I understand some fans want a blank slate with no canon where Klingons can look like Orcs or whatever else they want to look like but that's simply not going to happen.

You hold onto the things that identify the brand. The stuff that continues to make it popular. I've never gotten the staunch opposition to continuing on with the same universe and same or similar looking aliens. I have no interest in a full reboot of Star Trek. Even the Kelvin movies were smart enough to keep a tie to all that came before by making it another reality. And they keep the Klingons looking more or less Klingon without the need to create something entirely unrecognizable. Though I will admit I was critical of that design too. It felt like change for the sake of change. But that was before I saw what that really means with Disco Klingons!
 
While true you can't please everybody, and shouldn't even try, if 5% hate it, I could live with that.. Now if 65% hate it.. well, better change something if I like my job..
 
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