Klingon change for season 2?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Roald, Aug 6, 2018.

  1. Mach5

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    Nah, we can expect small bits of "same old" here and there, but the "same old, same old" that got the Berman-era Trek off the air is gone from Trek for good, and has found itself a new home at Fox. For the time being.
     
  2. eschaton

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    Some people have this weird idea that show creators ought to completely and totally ignore both fan praise and criticism. Never mind that reaction to fans is fundamental to Trek. Spock wouldn't have been elevated as a character, for example, if Roddenberry & Co hadn't realized what a breakout character he was and modulated TOS Season 2 as a result.
     
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  3. Ridcully

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    It is a new prequel.....updates keeps it fun....that is the same with usual stories we have through out the times, they get dressed up in new stuff to match the current times....... I am not allways that enamoured with the old Trek stuff, I do like it all in all....but some of it was so cheesy and ...well....

    I liked how the Klingons looked this time around...also liked that the way they where talking...they felt alien and different!
    Hardcore Trek fans is a soup of acid at best!
     
  4. INACTIVERedDwarf

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    Some people think revisiting the designs of the past will result in stagnation, but of course they are making the logical fallacy of thinking creativity and tradition are mutually exclusive, that you can't be creative if constrained by too much context, when in actuality all creativity happens in context, the universe is a giant piece of context itself in which all art must happen.
     
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  5. Serveaux

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    Show creators ought to completely and totally ignore both fan praise and criticism.
     
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  6. Ridcully

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    Conservative!
     
  7. eschaton

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    But as I said, that has never, ever been the case for Trek. It has always responded to fan praise/criticism. Without fan modulation we wouldn't have gotten Spock elevated on TOS, TWOK would never have been made, Picard would have stayed this sedentary middle-aged dude who never left the Enterprise, with Riker being the locus of all adventure, etc.
     
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  8. valkyrie013

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    Well Fan's input has made some decisions that show producers have made, do a u turn. Yes its the show runners.. well show.. but if the fan's aren't happy, they aren't going to watch.. then you have no show! So there is a bit of throw spagetti at the wall and see what sticks, but to ignore fans reactions will get the show canceled.
    Examples: Doctor who, they introduced those new multicolred daleks.. they went over like a lead balloon, and were barely seen afterwards.
    So all the fan backlash at somethings will have an impact. Just keep it civil :)
     
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  9. XCV330

    XCV330 A Being of Pure Caffeine Premium Member

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    It doesn't take fan backlash to know the look of the Klingons was handled badly. That and honestly, how do you act inside of all that rubber? How do you talk? And talk they did. At least overdub..


    -cut scene of L'Rell and Voq copulating

    First seasons usually have some rough spots. Discovery was very good. It had no Black Planet, it had no SHALE! it had no .. everything Voyager had in season 1.. but it did have its Klingon problem, and I think that one is easy to rest with Fuller. Now it can get fixed.
     
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    I'm sorry, but this is one of the most foundational and fundamental "truths" I've learned about he fandom, so I absolutely 100% disagree with you passionately.

    There is no way ANYTHING would satisfy all the fans. I've been in the game for 40 years. There's literally nothing that would make everyone happy, because the fandom is so diverse (like the franchise itself) that everyone is onboard for different, equally valid reasons.

    And, frankly, the Production Leads trying to please everyone is a self-defeating policy, because it can't be done. Just make a good movie/show that has the goal to entertain. To hell with "pleasing the fans"
     
  12. Terok Nor

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    Star Wars hasn't changed the look of their aliens so I don't see why Star Trek has to. An update yes, but not an entirely different appearance. It's the Star Trek brand they're selling so it should look like it.

    I understand some fans want a blank slate with no canon where Klingons can look like Orcs or whatever else they want to look like but that's simply not going to happen.

    You hold onto the things that identify the brand. The stuff that continues to make it popular. I've never gotten the staunch opposition to continuing on with the same universe and same or similar looking aliens. I have no interest in a full reboot of Star Trek. Even the Kelvin movies were smart enough to keep a tie to all that came before by making it another reality. And they keep the Klingons looking more or less Klingon without the need to create something entirely unrecognizable. Though I will admit I was critical of that design too. It felt like change for the sake of change. But that was before I saw what that really means with Disco Klingons!
     
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  13. Longinus

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    It already happened!
     
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  14. Tuskin38

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    The DSC Klingons still look like Klingons to me. The ridges give it away.
     
  15. XCV330

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    the truth is out there
     
  16. valkyrie013

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    While true you can't please everybody, and shouldn't even try, if 5% hate it, I could live with that.. Now if 65% hate it.. well, better change something if I like my job..
     
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  17. Ridcully

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    So more bloodwine and singing coming up........chu chu chu achuuu
     
  18. Tuskin38

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    The Klingons in DSC already acted like TNG/DS9 Klingons.
     
  19. Ridcully

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    Cry havoc and release the targs of waaaar!
    To be torpedoed or not to be torpedoed!?
     
  20. Tuskin38

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    What re you going on about? You make no sense.