Klingon change for season 2?

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

^I would certainly think that angle could have been part of it, yes. Early on, Ted Sullivan also seemed to suggest that at some point (before Fuller left? or after?) it had been intended that features such as the baldness were originally to be specific to T'Kuvma's "25th Klingon house that we hadn’t previously heard of" and linked to their "puritan" practices: "It’s a 200-year-old ship. This is a group of Klingons who’ve gone back to a puritan way of life. They look very different: they wear armour that’s 200 years old and they don’t have any hair..."

(But obviously things got re-jigged somewhat, somehow.)

-MMoM

 

[Kor]

And with this background in mind, it would mean that the rare bald Klingons we have seen elsewhere in Trek have actually been adherents of the arcane "puritan" ways of T'Kuvma's house. That would include General Chang, and the dude from "Into Darkness."

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

And with this background in mind, it would mean that the rare bald Klingons we have seen elsewhere in Trek have actually been adherents of the arcane "puritan" ways of T'Kuvma's house. That would include General Chang, and the dude from "Into Darkness."

Kor

Perhaps other reasons will be explored them being bald.

 

[eschaton]

That would mean Bryan Fuller was behind Tyler/Voq twist. As the make up was started when he was still onbaord IIRC.

I'm not sure about that. Latif was originally cast as Kol, and only recast as Ash later. Suggests Ash was perhaps a later addition to the story.

 

[Jinn]

^I would certainly think that angle could have been part of it, yes. Early on, Ted Sullivan also seemed to suggest that at some point (before Fuller left? or after?) it had been intended that features such as the baldness were originally to be specific to T'Kuvma's "25th Klingon house that we hadn’t previously heard of" and linked to their "puritan" practices: "It’s a 200-year-old ship. This is a group of Klingons who’ve gone back to a puritan way of life. They look very different: they wear armour that’s 200 years old and they don’t have any hair..."

(But obviously things got re-jigged somewhat, somehow.)

-MMoM

I'd have loved that explanation. It would have added some definite variety in aliens.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

I'm not sure about that. Latif was originally cast as Kol, and only recast as Ash later. Suggests Ash was perhaps a later addition to the story.

Perhaps...although we should also not forget that there was a lot of very deliberate misdirection in what was(n't) being put out publicly regarding such matters...

-MMoM

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm not sure about that. Latif was originally cast as Kol, and only recast as Ash later. Suggests Ash was perhaps a later addition to the story.

Or Kol was Voq’s original name, and they changed this to hide the twist.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Have we seen the House of Kor yet? I remember it being mentioned in S1. Perhaps the big surprise is that a couple of these houses are closer to the TMP-TNG Klingons we know and love -- with appropriate modifications for 21st century viewing, and some "they always looked like that" tweaks. Of course, that's how I view the DISC Klingons anyway, but maybe they're throwing a bone to the less flexible fans.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

^Kol was House of Kor.

-MMoM

 

[Succubint]

The name was Kol, but the actual character description fit what Voq was: a protégé of T'Kuvma.

 

[XCV330]

I'm thinking Klingons go through a long protracted Fedora and Porkpie era, next .

 

[Rahul]

I wouldn't have minded if they had made the Vulcans a bit (but only a bit!) more alien looking, they're too human for my liking. Romulans in ST:09 had nice subtle forehead, eye corner and nose prosthetics; something like that would have been good. Also, Orions, they're just humans painted green, they should have gotten some sort of an update. In crap lighting they have on DIS you barely could even see the different hue.

Yeah, the Orions in the DIS S1 finale were probably some of the worst "alien" designs I have ever seen. Which is weird: ENT already did a faithfull update on them, showing both females and males that were convincingly alien looking. They really dropped tha ball there.

 

[Kor]

Yeah, the Orions in the DIS S1 finale were probably some of the worst "alien" designs I have ever seen. Which is weird: ENT already did a faithfull update on them, showing both females and males that were convincingly alien looking. They really dropped tha ball there.

They were green people. What was missing? I guess I'll have to watch the episode again.

Kor

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, the Orions in the DIS S1 finale were probably some of the worst "alien" designs I have ever seen. Which is weird: ENT already did a faithfull update on them, showing both females and males that were convincingly alien looking. They really dropped tha ball there.

.. Are you being sarcastic?

 

[eschaton]

They were green people. What was missing? I guess I'll have to watch the episode again.

ENT did do a bit to make male Orions look a bit different, including casting very muscular guys, and putting on what looked like various small biomechanical implants on their heads and bodies.

In contrast, in DIS, they were just green people.

 

[Kor]

ENT did do a bit to make male Orions look a bit different, including casting very muscular guys, and putting on what looked like various small biomechanical implants on their heads and bodies.

In contrast, in DIS, they were just green people.

I'm not a big fan of cyberpunk mechanical attachments anyway, so that aspect of ENT Orions never really did much for me.

Kor

 

[eschaton]

I'm not a big fan of cyberpunk mechanical attachments anyway, so that aspect of ENT Orions never really did much for me.

They kinda reminded me of the super-mutants from Fallout.

 

[Tuskin38]

most of the male orions in DSC appeared to be dancers just like the women, it's possible only the wealthy, on top male orions have the mechanical bits.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

The name was Kol, but the actual character description fit what Voq was: a protégé of T'Kuvma.

I was just answering @WarpFactorZ 's question of whether we'd seen House of Kor yet.

That being said, as above, I don't think it would be overly conspiratorial to pose the question of whether they actually shuffled things around as much as it seems they may have with Kol/Voq/Tyler or whether that was all just smoke to hide the fire, so to speak. Because obviously, all the "Javid Iqbal" business was. But none of that really matters at this point.

Yeah, the Orions in the DIS S1 finale were probably some of the worst "alien" designs I have ever seen. Which is weird: ENT already did a faithfull update on them, showing both females and males that were convincingly alien looking. They really dropped tha ball there.

I think that's quite hyperbolic, but I have to admit that it did strike me as a bit odd that after all the other makeup updates for other species that they just went back to "green guys" for the male Orions here, after "The Pirates Of Orion" (TAS) and "Borderland" (ENT) seemed to suggest some greater sexual dimorphism. (Of course, those weren't entirely consistent with each other, either. But I did sort of like how a few of the cheek and head implants in the latter seemed ever-so-slightly reminiscent of their mostly-hidden-by-helmets features in the former.)

Still, green guys are good enough for me. As @Tuskin38 says, there could be caste/class/ethnicity issues in play. And maybe they augment their soldiers in some way, or in several different ones, depending on the era and place.

-MMoM

 

[Jinn]

Or Klingons just don't find guys with metal plates very hot...