Klingon change for season 2?

[Rahul]

I have no problem with "green guys". The problem is the make-up version of DIS was baaaad.
How am I going to put this?

Orion (TOS):
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/que...or-system-are-orion-slave-girls-actually-from

Orion (ENT):
http://www.startrek.com/article/exclusive-interview-enterprises-orion-slave-girls

Orion (ST09):
http://www.startrek.com/article/catching-up-with-trek-2009-s-green-gal-rachel-nichols

They all have a very lush green skin color. But still a somewhat "natural" color, like plants or something. It looks alien enough, like something out of a comicbook page, but still biologically sound enough for a space opera that also has a lot of skin prosthetics to signify "aliens". They're good.

THIS is an Orion girl from DIS:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Shava

She looks like a human in bad lightning. Like somebody fucking up photoshopping a picture of a model. The color is noticeably enough that it looks "off", but it is absolutely not distinct enough to came across as "alien" or literally anything else but a human with shitty paint on her.

 

[eschaton]

I have no problem with "green guys". The problem is the make-up was baaaad.
How am I going to put this?

Orion (TOS):
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/que...or-system-are-orion-slave-girls-actually-from

Orion (ENT):
http://www.startrek.com/article/exclusive-interview-enterprises-orion-slave-girls

Orion (ST09):
http://www.startrek.com/article/catching-up-with-trek-2009-s-green-gal-rachel-nichols

They all have a very lush green skin color. It looks alien enough.

THIS is an Orion girl from DIS:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Shava

She looks like a human in bad lightning. Like somebody fucking up photoshoping a picture of a model. The color is noticeably enough that it looks "off", but it is absolutely not distinct enough to came across as "alien" or literally anything else but a human with shitty paint on her.

IIRC they actually didn't use makeup on many of the background Orions. They just changed the color of their skin in postproduction.

 

[Rahul]

IIRC they actually didn't use makeup on many of the background Orions. They just changed the color of their skin in postproduction.

That's the way it looks, yeah... That was not a good choice. Not at all.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I have no problem with "green guys". The problem is the make-up was baaaad.
How am I going to put this?

Orion (TOS):
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/que...or-system-are-orion-slave-girls-actually-from

Orion (ENT):
http://www.startrek.com/article/exclusive-interview-enterprises-orion-slave-girls

Orion (ST09):
http://www.startrek.com/article/catching-up-with-trek-2009-s-green-gal-rachel-nichols

They all have a very lush green skin color. But still a somewhat "natural" color, like plants or something. It looks alien enough, like something out of a comicbook page, but still biologically sound enough for a space opera that also has a lot of skin prosthetics to signify "aliens".

THIS is an Orion girl from DIS:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Shava

She looks like a human in bad lightning. Like somebody fucking up photoshopping a picture of a model. The color is noticeably enough that it looks "off", but it is absolutely not distinct enough to came across as "alien" or literally anything else but a human with shitty paint on her.

Looks fine to me. Are Orions never allowed to be in dark rooms? Cause that just looks like an Orion in a darker environment.

 

[fireproof78]

Looks fine to me. Are Orions never allowed to be in dark rooms? Cause that just looks like an Orion in a darker environment.

Same here. My standards must be too low or something.

 

[Tim Thomason]

The Orions are terrible. They are like the fifth or sixth worst redesigned alien on Discovery.

I will never forgive them for what they did to the Tiburonians.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I'm still not seeing the 'redesign'. They're green skinned humans. Same as always.

 

[Jinn]

The Orions are terrible. They are like the fifth or sixth worst redesigned alien on Discovery.

I will never forgive them for what they did to the Tiburonians.

There were Tuburonians in DSC?

 

[Longinus]

I'm still not seeing the 'redesign'. They're green skinned humans. Same as always.

Sure. That's my problem. They're one of the species that really could have used a redesign.

 

[Tim Thomason]

There were Tiburonians in DSC?

I speak with tongue-in-cheek, but that's what some say this monstrosity was supposed to be.

 

[Jinn]

I speak with tongue-in-cheek, but that's what some say this monstrosity was supposed to be.

Eh, it's okay, but I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a Tiburonian or just a random background alien.

 

[XCV330]

She looks green. That's pretty much the defining orion trait.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

Orion (TOS):
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/que...or-system-are-orion-slave-girls-actually-from

Orion (ENT):
http://www.startrek.com/article/exclusive-interview-enterprises-orion-slave-girls

Orion (ST09):
http://www.startrek.com/article/catching-up-with-trek-2009-s-green-gal-rachel-nichols

They all have a very lush green skin color. But still a somewhat "natural" color, like plants or something. It looks alien enough, like something out of a comicbook page, but still biologically sound enough for a space opera that also has a lot of skin prosthetics to signify "aliens". They're good.

THIS is an Orion girl from DIS:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Shava

Just as with every other species, there's plenty of room for variation in Orion skin tones. Marta from "Whom Gods Destroy" (TOS) wasn't nearly so green as the illusory Vina, when seen under flat lighting:

And just for good measure...

Orion female in "The Time Trap" (TOS):

Orion males in "The Pirates Of Orion" (TAS):

Orion males in "Borderland" (ENT):

Orion males in "Will You Take My Hand?" (DSC):

I'm still not seeing the 'redesign'. They're green skinned humans. Same as always.

She looks green. That's pretty much the defining orion trait.

Except of course when they're blue!

-MMoM

 

[XCV330]

Just as with every other species, there's plenty of room for variation in Orion skin tones. Marta from "Whom Gods Destroy" (TOS) wasn't nearly so green as the illusory Vina, when seen under flat lighting:

And just for good measure...

Orion female in "The Time Trap" (TOS):

Orion males in "The Pirates Of Orion" (TAS):

Orion males in "Borderland" (ENT):

Orion males in "Will You Take My Hand?" (DSC):

Except of course when they're blue!

-MMoM

Linda Orionstat had some song about that. i guess.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

Linda Orionstat had some song about that. i guess.

Actually, it was Roy Orionison.

-MMoM

 

[INACTIVERedDwarf]

I thought DSC's Orions were perfect, i.e. they actually just stuck to the existing design, which was iconic.

I'm also glad they showed that not all Orion males are meant to be body builders like ENT's ones.

It was one of the things I actually most liked in that episode; the Orion embassy concept.

If anyone would have had a community on Qo'noS, unscrupulous Orion merchants make sense. They are meant to be one of the oldest cultures in the quadrant, with non-canon material implying they were amongst the first to achieve warp flight, even before the Vulcans, and were once known for their cultured civilization. Their space seems to be near the Klingon and Romulan borders, and their culture now seems to be rife with pirates/slavers/gangsters.

1966 (First appeared on TV in "The Menagerie")

1973 (First appeared on TV in "The Time Trap")

2004 (First appeared on TV in "Borderland")

2018 (First appeared on TV in "Will You Take My Hand?")

Don't change what isn't broken. There is always room for more plain less adorned humanoid aliens in TV space opera, even if they appear in conjunction with more elaborate Farscape-style non-humanoid aliens. Many franchises have their own monochrome alien, like Space Battleship Yamato's Gamilons. The Orions, Andorians, Vulans, etc, are the Asari or Twi'leks of Star Trek; they serve as a more human-like yet exotic alien culture to share scenes with.

I would have preferred the Andorians be left alone, as there wasn't anything wrong with ENT's makeup for them. But the new embellishments can be explained as a sub-species, or one of the four Andorian sexes, and are not that noticeable. It seems Klingons and Andorians have more genetic variation than humans, the way we had multiple species of humanoids living on Earth until about 40,000 years ago, Humans, Neanderthals, Flores and Denisovans.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I don't see the problem with the Orions. They're just in the dark.

 

[Longinus]

I like this Orion!

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I like this Orion!

Star trek in the MCU. It's a thing!

 

[DaveyNY]

I like this Orion!

Somehow, I don't believe anybody is going to get away with calling her a "sex slave" to her face.