Klingon change for season 2?

[Ravenswood]

I hope they just give them some hair and tone down the makeup a bit, especially the elongated craniums and the weird nostril thing. And no explanations! Just do it.

I hope they just give them some hair and tone down the makeup a bit, especially the elongated craniums and the weird nostril thing. And no explanations! Just do it.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/publicity/guests/bael.jpg
Ba'el, from TNG "Birthright." Notice the weird nostril thing. Imagine the hair removed from that elongated cranium.

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[eschaton]

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/publicity/guests/bael.jpg
Ba'el, from TNG "Birthright." Notice the weird nostril thing. Imagine the hair removed from that elongated cranium.

But she's clearly wearing no latex except on her forehead and nose. That makes all the difference in terms of allowing a wide range of natural expression.

 

[Ravenswood]

But she's clearly wearing no latex except on her forehead and nose. That makes all the difference in terms of allowing a wide range of natural expression.

No doubt. I was just saying—if it hasn't been said already—that the nostril thing and cranium thing didn't start with DSC.

 

[thribs]

No, they're not going to a complete 180 on their design decisions.

That would be too jarring for new fans.

New fans?

 

[fireproof78]

New fans?

Yes, it is possible. I know many find it outlandish.

 

[Tuskin38]

New fans?

And old fans who don’t mind the change

They’ve set a design language, they’re not going to completely change it after one season.

 

[WebLurker]

And old fans who don’t mind the change

They’ve set a design language, they’re not going to completely change it after one season.

Yeah, I think the best outcome would be to either add more "traditional"-looking designs alongside the new ones or to "refine" the existing ones.

 

[Longinus]

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/publicity/guests/bael.jpg
Ba'el, from TNG "Birthright." Notice the weird nostril thing. Imagine the hair removed from that elongated cranium.

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Yeah, not the sam thing. The nostril texture is present in TNG era Klingons but in DSC it looks like there is an extra nostrils. It really calls attention to the fact that it is a mask. Also L'rell's skull is way more elongated than anyting on previous Klingons.

 

[eschaton]

Yeah, not the sam thing. The nostril texture is present in TNG era Klingons but in DSC it looks like there is an extra nostrils. It really calls attention to the fact that it is a mask. Also L'rell's skull is way more elongated than anyting on previous Klingons.

As I've said before, my belief is the nostril ridge thing started because they wanted to put a prosthetic on Micheal Dorn so he didn't look so - well, black (the same reason they gave him a wig with straight hair). So they built up the bridge of his nose to make it look less big and fleshy and more "Roman." But they didn't want to actually cover up his nostrils - probably because it allowed him the freedom to flare his nostrils when he had to act angry - which resulted in a seam. Eventually they must have concluded it's better to work with the seam by making it into a full ridge rather than trying to smooth it and hide it.

 

[fireproof78]

It's almost like their are variations in a species and their phenotype. Much like humans. I know it's weird.

 

[WebLurker]

It's almost like their are variations in a species and their phenotype. Much like humans. I know it's weird.

I guess reality is unrealistic, as TV Tropes would say?

 

[fireproof78]

I guess reality is unrealistic, as TV Tropes would say?

Indeed. Someone should look in to that.

 

[.:: TSN ::.]

It's almost like their are variations in a species and their phenotype. Much like humans. I know it's weird.

Really? Is there? Give me a picture of TOS and DSC klingons standing next to each other in a same room.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Really? Is there? Give me a picture of TOS and DSC klingons standing next to each other in a same room.

How about a picture of a chihuahua and a Saint Bernard in the same room?

Or we could just go with the TOS Klingons standing next to the TNG ones, compare that with TNG versus DSC and see which one seems more plausible.

 

[.:: TSN ::.]

How about a picture of a chihuahua and a Saint Bernard in the same room?

Or we could just go with the TOS Klingons standing next to the TNG ones, compare that with TNG versus DSC and see which one seems more plausible.

But that is mostly my point. We don't see TOS Klingons and TNG Klingons in the same room, except for curiosities like DS9's tribble-episode. Because each series have their own design. TOS, TOS movies, TNG->ENT and now DSC. And DSC design is crap and you cant justify it by saying they are variations in a species. DSC design is what the Klingons now look, and have always looked like, in Star Trek universe. Atleast until someone decides to change it.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

But that is mostly my point. We don't see TOS Klingons and TNG Klingons in the same room, except for curiosities like DS9's tribble-episode. Because each series have their own design. TOS, TOS movies, TNG->ENT and now DSC. And DSC design is crap and you cant justify it by saying they are variations in a species. DSC design is what the Klingons now look, and have always looked like, in Star Trek universe. Atleast until someone decides to change it.

You could've said the same thing about the movie Klingons, but General Chang was a very clear halfway mark between them and the TOS klingons. And Ent already threw out the augment virus concept to bring them all together. Variations on style of Klingon is already canon. If DSC wants to make it even moreso, they will. And there've been clear discussions in that direction from the people actually responsible for making these decisions, though nothing is guaranteed until it hits the screen of course.

As for "And DSC design is crap and you cant justify it by saying they are variations in a species.", nobody needs to justify it that way. Some people may find the design crap. Others may not. The existence or not of such variations has literally nothing to do with whether or not the design is crap, though. The only reason they even get brought up most of the time is to counter ridiculous claims that the design is bad *because* it doesn't fit what came before, which of course would make all the designs bad except the first one.

 

[eschaton]

It really would be cool if DIS decided to say "ahh fuck it" and made it official that the Klingons have always been a multi-species empire - that being Klingon was more about culture than blood.

I don't think they're going to go that route however.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

It really would be cool if DIS decided to say "ahh fuck it" and made it official that the Klingons have always been a multi-species empire - that being Klingon was more about culture than blood.

I don't think they're going to go that route however.

If it does happen, I suspect it will be more along the lines of 'The Klingon Species has mutiple different races/subspecies which differ in aspects like cranial size, and some of them may or may not have been immune or extraordinarily susceptible to the augment virus'. That would also dovetail with the whole racial aspect of T'Kuvma's ideology - a possible power struggle between the different Klingon races, all blaming each other for not living up to true Klingon values.

 

[eschaton]

If it does happen, I suspect it will be more along the lines of 'The Klingon Species has mutiple different races/subspecies which differ in aspects like cranial size, and some of them may or may not have been immune or extraordinarily susceptible to the augment virus'. That would also dovetail with the whole racial aspect of T'Kuvma's ideology - a possible power struggle between the different Klingon races, all blaming each other for not living up to true Klingon values.

The level of morphological difference between DIS Klingons and Berman-era Klingons is so great that just saying they're different "races" doesn't really work. They look way more different than say modern humans vs. neanderthals.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The level of morphological difference between DIS Klingons and Berman-era Klingons is so great that just saying they're different "races" doesn't really work. They look way more different than say modern humans vs. neanderthals.

It works fine for me. For all we know we could ultimately find that alien physiology doesn't necessarily follow the rules we expect it to, and we accept far less believable science as a matter of course in Star Trek, anyway. If the Changelings can change their mass and density at will with almost no significant cost in energy, then the Klingons can evolve different shaped heads.