Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan?
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WORD!KiraDax said:
What gets me is that it only seems to be Jeri Ryan's body that stirs that sort of raging offense.
She's one of the few tightly/scantily dressed female scifi leads I've ever seen that had a darn good body but didn't flaunt it and still gets thrown down a gauntlet for it.
KiraDax said:
What gets me is that it only seems to be Jeri Ryan's body that stirs that sort of raging offense.
She's one of the few tightly/scantily dressed female scifi leads I've ever seen that had a darn good body but didn't flaunt it and still gets thrown down a gauntlet for it.
You must not read Maxim.
Wang is a whining idiot and not half the actor or co-worker that Ryan and Mulgrew were.
God, people love a 'catfight'.
exodus said:
It's like when people say they buy Playboy for the articles.
I really did that once.
They had an excellent article on how Papa Bush's administration butchered a program for severely disabled children, cutting their Medicaid and access to medical treatment.
Occasionally there is intelligent life within the pages.
This about sums it up. Whether you're bashing Mulgrew ("She should be grateful she had a job.") or Ryan ("It's all about the catsuit.") God forbid two women can work together without being best friends. Men work together without being best friends all the time but with women there must be a cat fat involved.
The facts are Mulgrew made some excellent points about those who ran the show WITHOUT personally attacking Ryan. As for Ryan she acted well in a role that was meant to be gratuitous (a feat Jolene whatsherface wasn't able to pull off in "Enterprise") but she was not responsible for crotch shots, etc. That was camera work approved by the producers.
As for me I detest C/7 and think Seven turned into a Mary Sue character. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I blame Jeri Ryan for either issue nor do I think she did a bad job.
If all these people got along it would be boring... something Paramount should learn before they start interfering with the creative side of things, by the way.
I could care less if Mulgrew and Ryan were buddies.
I just wish both of them were capable of simply not discussing the topic (as one is) when asked by dirt digging 'fans' so that the unpleasantness doesn't perpetually seep into show fandom as a whole.
And I'd especially love it if all-or even just some- Mulgrew, Janeway, and J/C fans were capable of expressing their appreciation without it having to be to the detriment of Jeri, Seven, or C/7.
This crap poisons whatever enjoyment any sane, actress/character/pairing neutral person could hope to get out of the fandom.
Of course it's a discussion board, and I can't say that - countless iterations later - these threads interest me much, either. My point is that six years later, when all concerned have moved on with their lives, why can't fans move past this stuff? The same people saying the same things about stuff that is ancient history. Little discussion, no one moving from their viewpoint. It's kinda absurd.
But the crap is played out by both "sides". There's no need for it, and it's only a small number of fans who continue to perpetuate it. Six years later, why not just let it go?KiraDax said:
This crap poisons whatever enjoyment any sane, actress/character/pairing neutral person could hope to get out of the fandom.
In any event, I'm outta this rendition of this subject. I happen to like both characters and both actresses, and I just find bickering over this stuff - so much of which is gossip and hearsay, and inaccurate - completely pointless. To each their own. :thumbsup:
If I didn't think I knew you better, I'd almost find this sexist.
The difference is, men rarely air their dirty laundry publically. Women aren't happy unless they tell everybody their issues. Notice how none of the male actors comment about Mulgrew/Ryan but Mulgrew can't seem not too.
As far as being a Mary Sue. What's the point in being Borg, a being that is next to perfection if you can't do next to everything to be perfect? Wouldn't it be odd if she was a Borg and couldn't do anything? If that's the case, they might as well have kept Kes.
Stop the madness!
It's no more absurd that posters in Gen. Sci-Fi posting topics about Star Wars, a film that's nearly two and a half decades old.
Besides, you're a MOD. Don't you guys always tell other posters: "If you don't like the subject, then don't post in that thread?"
exodus said:
If I didn't think I knew you better, I'd almost find this sexist.
The difference is, men rarely air their dirty laundry publically. Women aren't happy unless they tell everybody their issues. Notice how none of the male actors comment about Mulgrew/Ryan but Mulgrew can't seem not too.
Actually, I was making an attempt to point out an existing sexist attitude. BTW, I don't believe that men don't air their dirty laundry publically - they just do it in different ways.
Actually, I never bought into the idea that being a borg is being as close to perfect as possible. The ironic part of that philosophy imo is that from a humanistic point of view assimilation makes one LESS perfect which is why the regaining of Seven's humanity became a worthwhile goal.
To tell the truth, I don't give a rats ass about whether or not they liked each other. I think they both did their jobs well and performed the scenes admirably.
My take is that the writing on Voyager was nowhere near par for Star Trek. They didn't create any significant story arcs (besides the borg), nor did they develop the characters anywhere near enough. These problems I lay squarely at the feet of the writing/producing team.
As far as fans who ask seemingly irrelevant questions, most are trying to discern what the actors state of mind was during the shooting of particular scenes/episodes.
Jennifer Lien's character had a built-in expiration date with the Ocampa 9 year lifespan. I don't think that she was replaced maliciously.
I am of the opinion that the show did become too 7/EMH heavy starting with season 4 (Coincidentally the actors portraying them are currently the only 2 with any sort of significant roles Jeri on Shark and Robert on SG1/SGA).
In today's TV and movie market screen time does matter, and I think towards the end certain people were being mistreated in this respect, which has had an effect on their careers.
Not to mention the money angle.
My take is that the writing on Voyager was nowhere near par for Star Trek. They didn't create any significant story arcs (besides the borg), nor did they develop the characters anywhere near enough. These problems I lay squarely at the feet of the writing/producing team.
As far as fans who ask seemingly irrelevant questions, most are trying to discern what the actors state of mind was during the shooting of particular scenes/episodes.
Jennifer Lien's character had a built-in expiration date with the Ocampa 9 year lifespan. I don't think that she was replaced maliciously.
I am of the opinion that the show did become too 7/EMH heavy starting with season 4 (Coincidentally the actors portraying them are currently the only 2 with any sort of significant roles Jeri on Shark and Robert on SG1/SGA).
In today's TV and movie market screen time does matter, and I think towards the end certain people were being mistreated in this respect, which has had an effect on their careers.
Not to mention the money angle.
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