It's official: Thank God for Remastered!
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I suspect if they had put the same effort and money into repairing the original FX shots, rather than replacing them entirely, the result would have been equally pleasing.
Regarding TOS-R: I like the concept a lot. Less so the execution. Too many things were changed just for the sake of change, and too many stupid non-canon ideas got incorporated.
While not that same image, I have found images of those models in those costumes with a simple google image search for "star trek porn".
When I got the new BD sets, I barely noticed the new FX. The HD transfer is what I was/am excited about.
Generally agree with Warped9.
Earlier today I watched "Errand of Mercy" and "The Doomsday Machine" for the first time on Blu Ray with enhanced visual effects. I very much enjoyed the experience. The original effects will always be the "real" version to me, but the enhanced effects are great fun. I particularly like the reinterpreted planet killer.
I will say that I dislike the CG version of the D7. The filming miniature is more organic and graceful looking.
I will say that I dislike the CG version of the D7. The filming miniature is more organic and graceful looking.
I often felt the same way.
I liked that the new FX looked like a CG cartoon. If the new CGI had looked really good, that wouldn't be TOS to me. Replacing crappy model effects with crappy CGI maintained the feel of the original, IMO.
Plus, the BD sets contained both versions of every episode, so this debate is kind of moot. (I know, when did that ever stop anybody?)
Plus, the BD sets contained both versions of every episode, so this debate is kind of moot. (I know, when did that ever stop anybody?)
I have seasons one and two of TOS-R, and and as someone who has watched the show for 35 years, i really have a hard time believing there is this much dislike of the remastered effects. In my opinion, they are far superior to the original, but still keep the spirit of it. I can see a few shot being quibbled with, but overall,I think a splendid job was achieved. All one needs to do is to watch The Doomsday Machine to see that this was a great thing thing to do.
Meh, I wasn't that impressed by Doomsday Machine. No I will grant Space Seed did some really wonderful work.
I kinda get the criticism from those who either think
- that TOS "was good as it was"
- the new FX don't perfectly fit the old live footage
But surely, if you wanted new effects,souped up battle scenes, replacement of stock footage, new details etc., TOSR delivered, except for two episodes(imo)
- Balance of Terror (which has an excuse sorta, because it was meant to win over those who feared change. Still had some nice new stuff though).
- Errand of Mercy (which was just a poor job and a wasted opportunity). I might actually prefer the older FX in this case.
Everything else was pretty much a good job imo, especally considering the budget and time shortage, mostly keeping a satisfying balance between too much and too little (where it was important).
There were a few instances where a good opportunity was wasted (damaged ship in Ultimate Computer), or they couldn't make it n the time and budget (personal file in WNMHGB), but the heck. It's awesome.
- that TOS "was good as it was"
- the new FX don't perfectly fit the old live footage
But surely, if you wanted new effects,souped up battle scenes, replacement of stock footage, new details etc., TOSR delivered, except for two episodes(imo)
- Balance of Terror (which has an excuse sorta, because it was meant to win over those who feared change. Still had some nice new stuff though).
- Errand of Mercy (which was just a poor job and a wasted opportunity). I might actually prefer the older FX in this case.
Everything else was pretty much a good job imo, especally considering the budget and time shortage, mostly keeping a satisfying balance between too much and too little (where it was important).
There were a few instances where a good opportunity was wasted (damaged ship in Ultimate Computer), or they couldn't make it n the time and budget (personal file in WNMHGB), but the heck. It's awesome.
You are not the first:
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"The Enterprise Incident"-Remastered
Did they redo the Remastered effects a 2nd time?
Comments on "A Private Little War" Remastered
"The Savage Curtain" Remastered comments
So, tell me about these remastered episodes
Poll: Star Trek Remastered 11/03/07: Grading/Discussion.
I refuse to watch Trek remastered
LOL Space Seed is one that really bothered me because the opening FX with the Botany Bay doesn't fit the story unfolding in the live action sequences.
The story presents the Botany Bay as a ship whose systems ae on automatic or a ship being used by aliens. Nothing in the dialog suggests that the ship is careening wildly in space; in fact the hook of the teaser is that the ship appears to be under control by some unknown agent.
The Captain's log after the titles states that the Enterprise had been alongside for an hour without any indication that the Enterprise's presence was noticed. After this log entry we have the discovery of the name, the discussion of the Eugenics Wars, and then Kirk decides to board. It is only then that he orders the tractor beam on the ship.
In the original FX, you see the E pull alongside a Botany Bay under control and parallel it until they board, just like the live action sequences indicate. In the new FX, the BB automagically brings itself alongside the Enterprise without any explanation or comment in the dialog as to why that was or even that it had happened. In fact, such an adjustment to the BB's orientation should have indicated to Kirk that someone noticed that they were there.
It seems like a trivial thing, but it is symptomatic of why some of the new effects irk; they are sometimes less about improving the episode and more about just doing something different, clever, or homage-dropping.
I would have preferred faithfully reproduced FX but, barring that, at least choices that were better than the ones they chose.
This episode for example, could have shown a closeup of the BB from the front right, with pitting and meteor-scaring visible and shown the Enterprise swing behind and pull up beside the BB. Then fade to titles with the audience wondering what the deal was with this battered and mysterious ship.
I like the new CGI effects, simply because it's nice to have them there. And thanks to blu-ray, I can switch back and forth to see how it's originally meant to be.
My only gripe is I wish they had cleaned up the SFX footage as well as the live action stuff. I don't care how basic the original effects were - they were the ORIGINAL, and seeing them in their intended glory would have been a treat.
My only gripe is I wish they had cleaned up the SFX footage as well as the live action stuff. I don't care how basic the original effects were - they were the ORIGINAL, and seeing them in their intended glory would have been a treat.
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