Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Soong-type Android, May 4, 2019.
Are you saying it's correct to have more men than women on the bridge of a starship?
Are you in fact, 1960's Captain Pike?
Some people still want to believe 300 years from now in a fictional future where humans meet, work, shack up with, marry, fight, sleep with aliens the white human male will STILL dominate things...
In a few centuries, our descendants will all have a little bit of everything in their genome and consequently, they'll all pretty much look similar. The notion of race is not only wrong, but it's also temporary.
If I could change one thing it would be the format: away from season-long arcs to stand alone episodes. IMO S1 and S2 both could have made fun double episodes, but were stretched out far too long and accumulated too many glaring plot issues. If you just boil down each concept to its essence, locate the central theme, and hone in on the important character moments, both arcs could be condensed into 90 minutes of solid action TV. Limiting the amount of leg-room would also force the writers to suss out the world-building instead of littering the story with unopened mystery boxes and dangling story threads. I think it worked more-or-less for DS9 and pretty successfully for S3/4 of Enterprise, but you need to be more invested in the characters than STD allows you to really pull it off. That's the one big change I would make.
I don't think they left any plot holes. Most of the mysteries encountered during the episodes have been explained, there are some inconsistencies but so are in the other series. Why would you want to remove Disco's original storytelling? It would be like saying "Hey, I don't mind DS9 but it would have been better if the station was a ship instead!!!"
DS9 was a high water mark in television writing, STD is a low point, that's the difference.
Genius is never recognized in its time. It's funny how much DS9 was lampooned for being a betrayal of Gene's vision.
Since we're speaking about opinions as if they're facts, I'm game: DSC is the best Star Trek since DS9 ended. Dare I say that I prefer DSC over DS9 and I like DS9 a lot.
I think, if I were to compare (stupid thing to do but that's where we are) I prefer DSC's setting, and the Klingon stories are far more appealing than the DS9 silliness of the Klingons.
Yes. The Klingons in DSC are actually scary. The last time they genuinely scary, before that, was in TMP, which was just atmospherics. They didn't actually do anything scary. In "Lethe", when Cornwell is surrounded by them, you know she's in trouble.
The Klingons feel more alien, more intimidating and actually ferocious. I would prefer that over the DS9 and shouting about honor as much as they did. I even give more credit to the Into Darkness Klingons for being highly intimidating than a lot of the DS9 Klingons, especially when they invaded DS9.
Take away Alex Kurtzman and everything falls into place.
Right...because Kurtzman was absolutely the problem with DSC's season 1 BTS troubles...
Give me Kurtzman over Fuller any day.
I know how it is. I felt the same way about B&B that you do about Alex Kurtzman, regarding VOY/ENT, after Michael Piller and Jeri Tayler moved on. Which was then punctuated after Ron Moore quit three episodes into Voyager's sixth season.
With Michelle Paradise being the showrunner for DSC's third season, that basically means Alex Kurtzman will be more administrative regarding the show. He'll approve or veto what the Disco Team comes up with, but he'll be more focused on developing All Those Other Series. And I don't care that much about All Those Other Series. I'm here for Discovery, not so much Picard, Lower Decks, Fill in the Blank, Fill in the Blank...
Yeah, the more I learn about B&B in the BTS the more I just get frustrated. I mean, things were consistent enough but it just became so bland and mishandled.
Seems to happen to any franchise runner, given enough time. People need to step away from a project after awhile. MCU has succeeded as well as it has, I think because of the variety of directors and producers involved, with production having a wider plan but letting the output stay varied.
I shudder to think what ST:Beyond would have been if Abrams had been too involved. He's never demonstrated much in the idea of original ideas, though he's not bad at recycling the better ideas of other. I think that vein was out of juice after ID, though.
I admired Moffet's earlier work on Doctor Who but just like Turner, long before him, he stayed in too long and he ran out of ideas, just like Turner had decades before. B&B were in the same situation. But when you're having that kind of money thrown at you, and you are at the pinnacle of what you're doing, it must be incredibly hard to look at what you're doing and say "I could step down and let the thing I've been involved in stay flourished.. or I COULD get another Ferrari."
The ending of season two, hands down. That last scene at Starfleet HQ was just insane and how their way of "syncing" Discovery up with canon was to just classify it.
A big driver of the season was Kurtzman wanting to address why the Discovery was never mentioned before.
Is no other ship outside of the Enterprise, Enterprise-A, Enterprise-D, Enterprise-E, Deep Space Nine, the Defiant, Voyager, and NX-01 allowed to exist? Does Kirk, Picard, Sisko, and Janeway have say the name of another starship in order to justify its existence?
Personally, I'm just sick to death of the canon obsession. I know it's always been around, but I feel like it's gotten so much worse because of the perceived canon violations that Discovery has done.
I'd be careful with the "B&B" term. Sure, Berman was a bit of a Corporate Suit who did his part to make turn Star Trek of his era bland (though he's hardly as evil as fans make him out to be). Braga, however is not anywhere near as bad as his reputation makes him out to be, especially when you consider the kind of bullshit he had to put up with from the studio. Remember, he was the one who refused to let UPN put a boy band on Enterprise who would break out into random musical number each episode. The man has flaws, and I agree by there are decisions made during his terms of running Voyager and Enterprise which were questionable that may actually fall on him rather than studio interference, but I feel very confident that those very shows (though moreso Enterprise) would have been much worse without him.
Alex Kurtzman is responsible for ushering in a new franchise for Star Trek. I'm not sure CBS would have let/trusted many others with that responsibility, so the liklihood is that without Kurtzman, there may not be Star Trek: Picard or anything else forthcoming.
I think for people who are excited about Star Trek's future, there is a lot to be owed to Kurtzman. We may not have one without his contributions.
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