I officially began my journey through all Star Trek on October 9th...
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I really like Barge of the Dead, but as a B'Elanna fan it's unsurprising. 
The episode apparently was originally supposed to be a part of Soldiers of the Empire on DS9, but it was trimmed. I wonder if that would have made that average DS9 episode better, or if it's better for being on VOY?
I thought season six started off pretty well, for the first four episodes. After DS9 finished I thought wow things may actually be improving because I had heard one of their writers had transferred over.
The episode apparently was originally supposed to be a part of Soldiers of the Empire on DS9, but it was trimmed. I wonder if that would have made that average DS9 episode better, or if it's better for being on VOY?
I thought season six started off pretty well, for the first four episodes. After DS9 finished I thought wow things may actually be improving because I had heard one of their writers had transferred over.
I thought it was because he tried to introduce the C word, Continuity 
But if anyones interested and hasn't already read it. About RDM's time on VOY and ST.
http://www.lcarscom.net/rdm1000118.htm
But if anyones interested and hasn't already read it. About RDM's time on VOY and ST.
http://www.lcarscom.net/rdm1000118.htm
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Is it just me or is it no coincidence that the two most talented and successful post Trek writers (Moore and Fuller) are also the two Berman and Braga shit on the most and basically forced out of the franchise? Almost seems like jealousy. Protecting their own positions at the cost of the product.
And now you have Moore hiring Behr to work with him on Outlander and Fuller back in the franchise with other Trek writers not involved in the Berman/Braga series'.
Edit to add: I remember them being pretty bitter at Coto as well when he took over ENT from them....
And now you have Moore hiring Behr to work with him on Outlander and Fuller back in the franchise with other Trek writers not involved in the Berman/Braga series'.
Edit to add: I remember them being pretty bitter at Coto as well when he took over ENT from them....
My favourite parts are RDM talking about how much Berman and Braga hate TOS and that Paramount did not interfere in TNG, DS9, or VOY and that all the creative decisions were made by the creative teams - something quite contradictory to interviews with Berman and Braga who constantly blame Paramount for creative decisions that didn't work.
His BSG podcasts (used as commentaries on the DVDs) were great.
I used to love his BSG podcasts, they were like the icing on the main show's cake.
And yeah I've read his interview as well. It's a shame things didn't work out with him and Trek, but I'm happy how things worked out for him.
And yeah I've read his interview as well. It's a shame things didn't work out with him and Trek, but I'm happy how things worked out for him.
Tinker, Tenor is so funny. It's one of those that I've watched many, many times and still laugh at it. Picardo is wonderful here.
Let me see if I can't add some perspective on the Moore-Braga debacle from 50 Year Mission, paraphrasing what various producers-writers said
Bryan Fuller: Rick Berman played Moore and Braga against one another, until their relationship blew up.
Kenneth Biller: Braga was great at focusing on story, but terrible at running the writing staff at this point. He tended to work one on-one with individual writers, rather than as a whole, in arduous and painful process. I quit when Moore was hired above me and I wasn't offered a new contract. When I was hired back on the promise that I would be the showrunner in season 7, I found the writing staff in complete disarray and the show had fallen well behind in producing stories.
Brannon Braga: Moore came on wanted to change all sorts of things that I knew that the studio/network would not allow, and I mistakenly refused to back him up.
Ron Moore: I came onto Voyager because I was not mentally ready to move on, not because I was in love with the show. Instead, I wanted to fix Voyager, to focus more on the characters (rather than the science fiction). I believed I knew what would make Voyager great, showing how the culture on board the ship would be forced to evolve as the crew set into a realization that they were in for the long haul. Braga was a different person when I joined the staff, acting and sounding much lick Rick Berman in defending what was and was not Star Trek. He also refused to consider elements of continuity because it was not what the studio wanted. Staff sessions were tense. Eventually, Braga met with the writers in secret, telling the people in the office to keep me in the dark. When I found out, I burst into a meeting between Berman and Braga and we had it out. Braga apologized and begged me to stay, but I had had enough.
Bryan Fuller: Rick Berman played Moore and Braga against one another, until their relationship blew up.
Kenneth Biller: Braga was great at focusing on story, but terrible at running the writing staff at this point. He tended to work one on-one with individual writers, rather than as a whole, in arduous and painful process. I quit when Moore was hired above me and I wasn't offered a new contract. When I was hired back on the promise that I would be the showrunner in season 7, I found the writing staff in complete disarray and the show had fallen well behind in producing stories.
Brannon Braga: Moore came on wanted to change all sorts of things that I knew that the studio/network would not allow, and I mistakenly refused to back him up.
Ron Moore: I came onto Voyager because I was not mentally ready to move on, not because I was in love with the show. Instead, I wanted to fix Voyager, to focus more on the characters (rather than the science fiction). I believed I knew what would make Voyager great, showing how the culture on board the ship would be forced to evolve as the crew set into a realization that they were in for the long haul. Braga was a different person when I joined the staff, acting and sounding much lick Rick Berman in defending what was and was not Star Trek. He also refused to consider elements of continuity because it was not what the studio wanted. Staff sessions were tense. Eventually, Braga met with the writers in secret, telling the people in the office to keep me in the dark. When I found out, I burst into a meeting between Berman and Braga and we had it out. Braga apologized and begged me to stay, but I had had enough.
I'd go into details about what Moore envisioned for Voyager, but these are things that show up in BSG. I don't worry about spoilers, but you might.
Moore wanted to
create a shift from the dominant Starfleet paradigm in which the crew tried to adapt the ship, physically and culturally, to an eighty year journey. He does not go into what those would have been in the book, but on BSG, there are spaces, most notably the wall on which crewmen posted pictures of the people they lost, that became recurring locations for emotional reflection. More importantly, Moore wanted the leadership of the ship to come up to a vote, something that happened twice (at least) on BSG, and which had profound consequences for the course of the show.
Don't you know that Voyager has a TARDIS on board to store unlimited shuttles?
I tend to agree with a lot of what Moore wrote/said about VOY's fault, as a viewer I say many of those faults (even before I read any of what he had to say)
There are some more humorous Doctor centered episodes yet to come.
Where was it Chakotay said "We have a full complement of shuttles"? Was it the episode Alice?
Yes that line always had me going 
I think this is a dull episode.
I think this is a dull episode.
I can remember a lot of episode titles as I've seen the episodes a few times, but I also used to love collecting the Star Trek Fact Files, which were a fountain of knowledge.
And a bit, erm, repetitive.
And a bit, erm, repetitive.
Tuvok and Neelix could have been--should have been--the series Miles and Julian, but not only was character growth limited on the show, the producers seemed determined to make Tuvok a jerk toward Neelix.
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